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deadleigh
only humans can come up with such evil
Metrick
Ubasti: it's the only entertainment the freaks have
they have no good food, music
etc
Ubasti
Or when they want you tortured, by golly they go all out.
Metrick
yeah
deadleigh
the freaks in the US also have a similar form of entertainment its called capital punishment (same as the one in Iran) and the media devours it with gusto
Metrick
no but when there are no criminals left to torture
they went and hanged about 10 business men they called corrupt or something
deadleigh
same sh*t just another name or method
heh
Metrick
or the business men simply weren't making them enough money
deadleigh: I know
katherine
Yeah.. it was because of the lack of TV in ANCIENT FUCKING PERSIA.
What a fu*kwit
bad-bob
when the Aztecs were sacrificing for blood, the Spanish were burning heretics.
Metrick
deadleigh: sure darryl holton was obviously drugged out of it when he supposedly chose the electric chair
Ubasti
Well aren't you guys of the very popular, PC, liberal view that the death penalty is bad.
Torture is...but not how we have the death penalty in the US...it's the most humane way.
Metrick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A1NLoZ1vMc
Ubasti: buring alive?
deadleigh
MEtrick: its still a barbaric practice IMO .. and no amount of dressing it up in a supposedly humane way is gonna change that. The problem is humans are just an evil, scheming, nasty bunch. Nothing will change that
Metrick
Ubasti: even in russia, they used guns
Ubasti
I'm not gonna watch that, but what are you talking about burying alive?
Metrick
what?
no
Ubasti
How about it's barbaric to murder and rape someone who doesn't deserve it.
bad-bob
after the Spaniards conquered Mexico, they set up an auto-de-fe (execution place) in the Aztec temple square
LawOrder
anyone likes the naked russian spy Anal Chapman's pics?
Metrick
Ubasti: human nature, and humans on drugs etc
deadleigh
LawOrder she is super hot
LawOrder
she is at least c cup
nice boobs
Ubasti
Yes it's human nature, but it's also up to govt to serve justice...and letting someone who has murderer another live is not justice.
Law, wrong room for such discussions
Metrick
that's playground rules justice Ubasti
mental age of 10
deadleigh
hah yeah .. now there is a pleasant view LAwOrder:)... better than this morbid sh*t about torture
Metrick
"lets get them back"
katherine
Killing people against their will is, imho, evil.
Metrick
"he tripped me at soccer first!!"
"but he did it first!!!"
katherine
I dont care what someone did, if they do not want to die, killing them is evil.
Ubasti
Meh, liberal hippies
Metrick
me too katherine
katherine
Ubasti: Well done. You just showed you cant have a discussion with adults. Have a nice day.
deadleigh
Ubasti you wouldnt be saying that if you were in the electric chair
Ubasti
If I were in the electric chair because I had murdered someone, I deserve to be there.
katherine, like I care about your view of me :)
Metrick
katherine: look
Ubasti
People who murder deserve for the govt to murder them.
Metrick
katherine: this guy was a maniac
katherine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikatilo
deadleigh
pointless convo ...
Metrick
katherine: child rapist and killer etc
pollini
hello is everybody o.k. in usa??i doubt
katherine
Metrick: And?
Metrick
katherine: but the russians just gave him one in the back of the head
katherine: they didn't throw him into a pit of tarrantulas or burn him slowly in the electric chair
a government is not superior to a paedophile or mass murderer
if it goes and does the same back to them
katherine
Metrick: So? They still killed him, and I believe that is evil.
Metrick
and makes the people feel that it is justified
Ubasti
So an evil person who murdered someone should be allowed to live while getting fed three times a day, watching TV, etc.?
Metrick
katherine: well there was a plea for clemency cause he was abused as a child, but the president denied it
pollini
it was enough to see from the report that a liar like bill klinton who transformed the white house into sex-street considered the number 13 best president..to see who is the source
Metrick
Ubasti: widescreen sony
bleubunny
hello
Metrick
Ubasti: or that pioneer hd 600hz tv!
Ubasti
hi bleu
deadleigh
Ubasti the problem with your argument is that if someone is a neanderthal, u have to become one too, to seek "justice" ; do grow up
bleubunny
hi!
Metrick
aye deadleigh
you don't club every suspect to death
bleubunny
wow i'm on mibbit
Ubasti
How exactly is it you think you can define what is and is not justice? Why isn't justice taking from the person who took, what they took from another?
bleubunny
i never knew about this before
cool
Ubasti
bleu, yah it's cool eh
Metrick
just to satisfy the people's lust for murder of the murderer
pollini
well funny:bush was responsible cause a natural disaster occured but obama is not responsible for a human-made spot oil which wasn't treated from 6 months
deadleigh
no wonder the human race doesnt grow up; infantile reactions and base instincts to murder loot rape and pillage
Ubasti
It has nothing to do with a lust for murder, it has to do with a sense of justice, that the person who took another's life does not keep theirs in return.
Metrick
obama administration have killed how many hundred thousand since in power?
pollini
no one heared about that silly report?
bleubunny
yeah just think of all the dead sea life
Metrick
Ubasti: it's fu*kin steven segalish
Ubasti: "you killed my wife, NOW I TAKE YOUR LIFE"
lol
pollini
did obama change anything?
CLU
"An eye for an eye" was a metaphor. The Christian bible is actually telling us to become a society of lawyers and actuaries.
Ubasti
Haha liberal hippies indeed, whatever.
katherine
When you start looking at a book from the bronze age as a guide to your morality, then you are fu*ked up.
bleubunny
hippies and their medical marijuana are going to destroy our country and obama is going to bomb us
Ubasti
Well aren't you highly opinionated and crude while at it, katherine...not a fan of the dweebs in here right now. C-ya.
bleubunny
thats why they chose that fake name for him
because everyone knows he has no real birth certificate
CLU
If you really want to deter crime, you strap convicts to tables and let a guy with a puke green leather smock over his white lab coat play with the convict using acids and salts and scalpels and broadcast it on national TV.
Metrick
ubasti is a dinosaur for 2010
pollini
did u hear about that report?
CLU
Works in movies, anyway.
bleubunny
or let Dexter kill them
CLU
Nooooo, don't kill them, at least not intentionally.
Metrick
CLU: that only makes people more angry, and split with the government
bleubunny
yeah we just need to get someone like dexter
he can stab them in the heart
CLU
Actually, I'd prefer if all the scalpel guys looked like Christopher Lloyd.
Metrick
CLU: wtf ever happened to the line "innocent until proven guilty"? cause the western world has it back to front
CLU: next we'll be back to burning suspected witches
CLU
I do believe I used the word convict.
Metrick
what if there is a chance
they are wrongfully convicted
?
byLL
NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/
pollini
in mississipi they blame a white president for a natural disaster and accept that a spot oil to need 4 months of treatment?
Metrick
CLU: and a jury of lay people is insane
CLU: for a start most people aren't educated
CLU
I saw that in a TV show too. Simply assign matching sentences to private attorneys that lose. Public defenders would be exempt. If someone was later found wrongfully convicted, the prosecuter for the case receives the sentence instead.
Metrick
CLU: and the jury should be screened for not being all republican
CLU: the jury should be upper class of the community, or mixed
CLU: not a bunch of randoms
bleubunny
or tested by IQ
Metrick
CLU: I talked to a schizophrenic girl, from texas, who was called for fu*king jury duty, cause her dad was in nam
CLU
Educated juries I would agree with, but people would simply intentionally fail any test you give them if they want to get out of it.
You'd need to attach it to getting things like drivers licenses.
bleubunny
yeah
Metrick
and should the jury be allowed to talk to each other at all?
or just anonymously vote?
CLU
If they didn't deliberate together, you'd probably never reach a unanimous conviction.
Metrick
CLU: excactly
CLU: give the person on trial the benefit of the doubt
CLU: and not give the jury a chance to intentionally make their minds up so they can go home and relax
CLU
If they weren't allowed to deliberate, we'd have to make it a majority vote. Even without deliberation, convictions would probably increase.
Not really helping "benefit of the doubt" that way.
Metrick
I agree with that CLU
51%
or else freed
CLU
The jury doesn't get to make up their minds and go home until the trial finishes. How often do they take longer than a day to decide after the end of a case?
deadleigh
there are more bans in this channel than ppl who talk sense
Metrick
CLU: the jury shouldn't be allowed to form fu*king relationships
CLU: they should be all independant minds
CLU: people like you laugh in the face of democracy
CLU
You have far too little data to possibly assign me to anything appropriate for the phrase "people like you".
Metrick
ok
you have a point there
but you're still coming over
a bit right wing
in my perception
CLU
I think most of the regulars here would laugh at that.
Metrick
they're all nixons
not fit for 2010
remember the film from the 60s, 2001?
CLU
According to political profiling quizzes and such, you'd have to be off the left end of the scale to call me "right". :)
Metrick
a vision that, by 40 years time, we'd have dropped the ignorance?
judah
o
a rascal now he
CLU
I don't really fit into any party, I have huge disagreements on varying issues with every one I've heard of.
bleubunny
like what
judah
CLU i do too
i think there is not REALLY any party that represents me
as a person
it is too much group mentality
CLU
For abortion rights, against no-fault divorce with kids under 18, for drilling in Alaska and gun rights, umm...
I was trying to alternate typical Republica and Democrat talking points, but I am blanking out for both suddenly.
deadleigh
the problem and affiliations to political parties always debated about is increasingly redundant as far as the US is concerned. Global policy will be increasingly made in and driven by parties of China, India and others...the US will become another nobody like the UK is now
judah
you should be pro animals
bleubunny
they need more than 2 political parties
Metrick
aye
labradors
judah
ye
2 parties
isn't that
a little
?
CLU
Animal cruelty laws are good, but PETA should be killed and eaten.
judah
yes
LawOrder
damn iphone assembly cost is only 1% of total cost
Metrick
the labrador party versus the rottweiler party
judah
no petapaladins
they kind failed in a way
they are the ony coporation if you can even call it a coporation that fail to bribe the ppl with money hot girls and stars
deadleigh
Law: an iPhone apparently costs $189 to make fully.. so Apple's markup is staggering
Metrick
labradors are ahead of humans and other dogs, they don't have the death penalty
bleubunny
how much is the iphone
LawOrder
apple makes $360 on profit
twice the cost of making it
that is like 60% profit margin
totally immoral
bleubunny
oh yeah
judah
labradors make good blind ppl dogs
deadleigh
Law: yeah and they get a cut of all the exclusive data revenue
bleubunny
well you don't have to buy it
CLU
And yet Apple sets the wholesale price such that retailers make maybe $5 on each unit and has to make their real money on accessories.
bleubunny
i'm not
deadleigh
I have a Google Nexus
LawOrder
it's morel like cocaine
judah
LawOrder how much does an iphone cost ?
deadleigh
iphone is over rated
LawOrder
you know its bad but its addictive
CLU
That's for pretty much all Apple products, not any one in particular.