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dpkg
To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b
Bird|ghosted
yeah judd's AWOL
simonrvn
will be back soonish
kcj1993
Armageddon: Any code I can run to see what is is?
Armageddon
you don't know what you have ?
kcj1993
ati 200m or something, i'm using a laptop
Armageddon
kcj1993: try lspci | grep VGA
kcj1993
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)
Armageddon
ok then it is probably working
kcj1993: there are not official drivers for ATI cards, you are probably using fglrx
macrobat
ravenbird: pciid 14e4:4315
ravenbird
macrobat: I give up, what is it?
Bird|ghosted
Armageddon, the 200M SHOULD work with radeon/r300
Armageddon
Bird|ghosted: they all work
Bird|ghosted
yeah. the 200M is a bit of a flake I hear though
Armageddon
Bird|ghosted: but there are not official drivers from ATI, fglrx is the only driver available right ?
kcj1993
but if i try to start compiz xorg crashes
simonrvn
wrong
Armageddon
cause I have the 3650
kcj1993
so I'm guessing i don't have the drivers
alrs
Armageddon: x.org has radeon drivers
Bird|ghosted
Armageddon, no...fglrx is the official driver from ati
Armageddon
simonrvn: wrong ?
it is ? :/
ok then
cool
Bird|ghosted
radeon/r300/r300g/r600 = the open-source drivers within the Mesa codebase
simonrvn
exactly
and many more; man radeon
Bird|ghosted
for radeons below the HD2k/HD3k/X4k/X5k, radeon is the definite choice
and with recent Mesa versions, even HD2k/HD3k/X4k hardware is worth trying r600 on
kcj1993
is there any way to test it hardware acceleration is working?
Bird|ghosted
(recent = 7.6.1 and later)
kcj1993, glxinfo | grep direct
also glxgears
kcj1993
Warning, xpress200 detected.
direct rendering: Yes
Bird|ghosted
kcj1993, pastebin me the output of glxinfo
and also, don't expect anything, the Radeon Xpress 200 series is seriously buggy WRT OpenGL (on all platforms)
the best you will get is pathetic performance (>1spf)
Armageddon
do I need the security debian repos ?
cause I can't connect to the repos, unless there is another one
kcj1993
Bird|ghosted, http://paste.ubuntu.com/362957/
Bird|ghosted
kcj1993, then the r300 driver is doing the best it can for you
kcj1993
ok
Bird|ghosted
fglrx is a very good way to break a system, so I wouldn't recommend installing it, as it won't help anything
kcj1993
ok
Armageddon
kcj1993: listen to Bird|ghosted
Bird|ghosted
there are BIOS/firmware flaws in the card most likely :( that prevent it from doing much of anything beside flopping about uselessly when it tries to do OpenGL accel
DEbiansqueeze
not some type of composite issue or anything ?
Armageddon
I've already tried it, it messes up the system big time if you make a little mistake
kcj1993
so why is compiz crashing when I try to run it?
compiz worked fine in ubuntu
Bird|ghosted
kcj1993, dunno then
DEbiansqueeze
can you run glxgears?
Bird|ghosted
try running glxgears and seeing if things crash
or if they stay stable
also test with a 3d game...Nexuiz for instance
DEbiansqueeze
thats where i would syart
kcj1993
yep glxgears run
DEbiansqueeze
sauer
Bird|ghosted
ok, move on to Nexuiz then...
or Sauerbraten, whichever flavor you prefer ;)
DEbiansqueeze
and can i see your xorg conf?
Bird|ghosted
I need to trundle off to a meeting though
o/
Teratogen
why is firefox called iceweasel on debian?
themill
dpkg: tell Teratogen about why iceweasel
Armageddon
Teratogen: firefox is different from iceweasel
Teratogen: iceweasel is based on mozilla
kcj1993
Bird|ghosted, nexuiz is a 300mb+ download, any thing smaller?
anything*
jhutchins_lt
So... if iceweasel is no longer supported as of etch, what does lenny use?
DEbiansqueeze
you got google earth installed?
kcj1993
me?
DEbiansqueeze
yeah
kcj1993
I'll go and get it
DEbiansqueeze
at least you would use it again
themill
jhutchins_lt: err... no longer supported *in* etch, not "as of etch".
jhutchins_lt
themill: I was wondering if that was it.
kcj1993
google earth crashes
this sucks
I might as well go back to ubuntu
:(
cirwin
forgive me, but where is the missing link between apt-get source mysql_client-5.1 and dpkg-source -x mysql_client-5.1 ?
oggei
cirwin: uh ?
cirwin
I want to get the sources for the mysql client package
apparently I can use dpkg-source to get them, once I've apt-get source'd it
but I don't know how to make it actually do anythign
oggei
apt-get source mysql-client is enough you have to do for having an uncompressed source tree in your current directory, and a couple of support files
cirwin
oohhh..
thank you
oggei
(also, apt-get source mysql_client-5.1 will fail cause no package with this name)
cirwin
mysql-client, w.e :p
Trollinator
Hi, where can i find netinstall images for debian testing? I tried here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/
but the only images i find there are for lenny, not for squeeze
streuner
!netinstall
dpkg
somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
streuner
just upgrade to squeeze then
Trollinator
this has _zero_ to do with what i've been asking.
It's rather stupid to install stable and then upgrade instead of installing testing in the first place.
streuner
why?
Trollinator
because installing it already takes ages because it has to download so much.
streuner
the only thing is, IMO, what kind of d-i (Debian Installer) you use...
Trollinator
and then i have to download everything again because everything is newer.
streuner
no
just install a basic system
Trollinator
and besides, my wlan doesn't work with kernel 2.6.26.
streuner
thats not much in Debian
Trollinator
and no, i can't plug in a cable, sorry.
streuner
well, you should look for a d-i which solve that then, kmuto i.e.
or a devel d-i
wlan doesnt work, why?
Trollinator
kmuto?
streuner
!kmuto
dpkg
For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
Trollinator
because 2.6.26 doesn't have the driver.
streuner
hm
macrobat
debootstrap from grml
macrobat
more to download :)
streuner
grml has its own function to setup to Debian, true...
or that
Trollinator: you see, there are many ways to install Debian...
Trollinator
i'm installing on a laptop without an optical drive and i only have a 128 MB usb key.
i'll take a look at the kmuto thing.
streuner
how about an extern USB DVD LW?
Trollinator
i don't have one.
streuner
thats always crap
!rube goldberg install
dpkg
"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
streuner
if you dont have the hardware to install
tking
Trollinator, business cd iso
I think that fits <128mb
streuner
and that would work within USB stick├č
?
Trollinator
yes, it does.
the lenny one does boot.
macrobat
usb sticks are cheap
Trollinator
it's just that the wlan doesn't work.
tking
not cheap when you have 0 monies
abrotman
the kmuto is bigger than 128MB
lenswipe
hey guys
Trollinator
yeah, kmuto doesn't help me.
macrobat
sell that laptop :)
streuner
for sure (kmuto)
lenswipe
how do i set debian so that all user home dirs are created with 700
Trollinator
macrobat: why would i?
abrotman: i have a 1 GB stick, i just lended it to someone.
streuner
well, you should have something at least to install Debian, otherwise we cant help
Trollinator
err, not abrotman but macrobat
streuner: well, i have the 128 MB stick.
there was the mini.iso for stable, i just need a recent kernel to go with it.
abrotman
Trollinator: so get it back
Trollinator: is it for a server?
Trollinator
no, for a notebook without an optical drive.
perhaps i'll just install sid instead
abrotman
Trollinator: you could use the squeeze installer .. though you get the warts that are inherent with using testing
Trollinator
my first question when i joined this channel was where to get the netboot images for squeeze.
for some mysterious reason, the images in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ don't actually contain testing, but stable images.
lenswipe
how do i set debian so that all user home dirs are created with 700 permissions?
anyone know?
abrotman
lenswipe: vi /etc/adduser.conf
lenswipe
tyvm
abrotman
Trollinator: moment
Trollinator: i386 or amd64 ?
Trollinator
i386
abrotman
Trollinator: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso .. best of luck to you
Trollinator
it's an atom processor, i think those don't have 64 bits, right?
abrotman
Trollinator: uhm .. i'm too lazy to turn mine on :)
blizzow
I just did a dist-upgrade on squeeze and it brought up a screen saying it doesn't have the firmware files for a realtek 8169 network card. It says I need to enable a restricted repository, anyone here know how I should do that?
lenswipe
abrotman: i just edited DIR_MODE=700 im assuming thats the correct one? - i commented the old one out rather than delete it just in case ;)
dvs
Trollinator: most don't
abrotman
blizzow: probably wants the non-free repo so you cann install the firmware from there
dvs
Trollinator: 230, 330, N450 do
Trollinator
i think it's a 270
blizzow
abrotman: non-free is listed in my sources.list. I'm kind of worried that when I reboot, I won't have a network card.
Trollinator
OK, thanks.
dvs
they don't
blizzow
which would suck.
Trollinator
bye
abrotman
blizzow: do you have the actual text of the message ?
blizzow
no, it was a whiptail message when I ran aptitude safe-upgrade
I just mentioned the firmware for my network card (realtek 8169) and that it was part of a restricted package.
dvs
!non-free
dpkg
hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
blizzow
!non-free sources
dpkg
methinks non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
abrotman
blizzow: aptitude search firmware
dotCOMmie
Hey does kbluetooth work for anyone, I haven't been able to make it work sice kde4 hit debian.
All I get is "no bluetooth adapter" when I hover mouse over kbluetooth logo
blizzow
abrotman: thanks, I'll install linux-firmware-nonfree
abrotman
blizzow: and you should be able to boot your current kernel i'd think
blizzow
When I installed linux-firmware-nonfree, it started update-initramfs and said "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d2.fw for module r8169" It's also missing rtl8168d-2.fw but it exits okay with no other warnings.
abrotman
!find rtl8168d2.fw unstable
bluejeans
good evening... how do i install aufs-module to my squeeze ??
dpkg
Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rtl8168d2.fw' returned no results.
bluejeans
abrotman: i just got here.. but what's up? i was haivng darned hard tiem with that same pieve of firmare the other day..
abrotman
the kernel wants it