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mouseover
I am technically savvy, its just that I dont want to bother with the extra configurations.
Thanks guys
maligor
the only issue you might have with current debian stable is that the kde it installs is ancient
Titan8990
hramrach: I also disagree. kubuntu is well known for having nasty bugs not found in upstream
maligor
doesn't stable have some early version 4?
mouseover
BTW question, how can I see a list (or search) all the packages available in the stable release of debian?
hramrach
so maybe it will, you should try for yourself
phogg
mouseover: ubuntu tries to make things work automatically. If I install it on my laptop I can immediately connect to wireless networks. With Debian I had to also install a firmware package for my card. This sort of thing is the real difference.
Titan8990
maligor: 3.5
EagleRock
maligor: stable runs a mix of 3.5.9 and 3.5.10
         

phogg
mouseover: everything is in Debian
Lns
maligor: did you try lenny backports?
maligor
oh, ok, so it didn't get into the land of the 4 then
mouseover
phogg: Thats EXACTLY what I dont want to do!
phogg
mouseover: you don't want to see the list because it's... what is it now? Over 17k last I knew.
Bookman
I just re-installed pidgin and it still locks up. Same error.
maligor
Lns, well, personally I run unstable and testing
mouseover
phogg: Can you link me to it?
Titan8990
!dstats lenny
phogg
mouseover: but do not be fooled: "In Debian" means available to install via apt. You only actually have what you want.
mouseover: packages.debian.org, search for yourself.
dpkg
Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22961 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59139 MB installed size, 20843 MB compressed size.
mouseover
phogg: thanks
phogg
Titan8990: thanks
Bookman
Thanks guys, back to ubuntu for me. :(
phogg
Bookman: why would reinstalling help?
hramrach
.. unless you installed a different version
phogg
even then I'd be surprised unless one is vastly newer or the other was from sid
jelly-home
Bookman: use whatever works for you!
judd: versions pidgin
judd
pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2
abrotman
that should be a pretty obvious error .. did he install gnome/pidgin correctly ?
         

Bookman
pidgin is what came with lenny
jelly-home
Bookman: perhaps you could consider installing the version from lenny-backports and see if it works better for you
Titan8990
pidgin came with lenny? is that part of the desktop-task?
hramrach
judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
judd
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- experimental: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-2
jelly-home
heh
phogg
Bookman: you might try creating another user temporarily, logging in, then trying pidgin. This would eliminate any weird user configuration issue
Titan8990: probably gets pulled with gnome, I would guess.
Titan8990
phogg: i just checked, its not part of the desktop task
hramrach
isn't is through some virtual package? You would expect the desktop or gnoe task to include an IM
phogg
I would, looking now.
mouseover
whoa.. I am looking at Debian's package index, and it only has the version 1.35 of the C++ Boost library, but the Ubuntu repos have upto 1.41 - strange...
phogg
gnome recommends empathy | pidgin
EagleRock
mouseover: debian values stability over bleeding-edge
Titan8990
phogg: its not part of gnome-desktop-environment task either
fastputty
hello igot this error when trying sending email with exim, someone help me: Error while reading message with no usable sender address (R=1O0KlR-0004C6-MC): at least one malformed recipient address: root@ETC_MAILNAME - malformed address: _MAILNAME may not follow root@ETC
i also tried to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
it not working
phogg
mouseover: look at the release dates, for one thing. When was the last Debian stable released? Find the Ubuntu release from the same timeframe and then compare versions.
mouseover: after that, see what Titan said. Ubuntu likes newnewnew! and shiny, often causing things to break.
hramrach
there is boost 1.40 in squeeze
so if you really need it you can get it from there
Titan8990
phogg: ah, recommends...
phogg
Titan8990: yeah, but epiphany is first in the list. If you have recommends set to be treated as depends does that mean both get installed?
mouseover
I see...
interesting.
rodman
hi, I'm having trouble configuring two ethernet connections in 5.04
when I raise eth0, eth1 drops and vice versa.
is there any handy tutorial on this issue for me to check up?
mouseover
But I dont see why the Debian repos shouldnt contain newer vrsions of Boost, in fact, the new versions fix many bugs so in essence they enhance stability
CutMeOwnThroat
bugs get patched... new versions introduce new bugs
Bookman
Well, I'll wait for the next release to try this out again. Somebody may want to submit a bug report.
CutMeOwnThroat
of course, sometimes bugfix-patches also introduce new bugs... but they're as close to stable as it gets
phogg
mouseover: you must understand how Debian releases work
mouseover
phogg: Where can I read about it?
rodman
heya
phogg
mouseover: I'm not sure.
mouseover: when I look I see boost 1.42, but only in squeeze and sid. So, it's there.
rodman
c'mon people
help an ex-ubuntu user!
;)
mouseover
phogg: I assume its not recommend to use squeeze or sid right? since they arent consideredd stable
phogg
mouseover: it's never recommended to use sid unless you're a debian developer (and it's not really a version anyway)
dondelelcaro
sid is a suite, so it is a real "version", whatever that means
qwd
mouseover: that depends on what you want/expect
dondelelcaro
but you probably shouldn't be running it unless you know exactly why you shouldn't be running it
phogg
mouseover: using testing (squeeze) is not recommended by me, but it can be done. Stability here refers more to the probability of running into packages that wont install than the crashiness of the software.
Nebukadneza
mhmmm, why has the dcc-client package vanished to be only available on m68k?
phogg
mouseover: my point, though, is that Debian does have a newer version of boost, but it didn't when the last stable was released. You can backport it or find someone who has.
qwd
mouseover: I'm running sid but I'm prepared for my system to crash and burn any time. If you want a stable system use stable :)
mouseover
gotcha
thanks guys
JyZyXEL
how do i get some older version of a package?
looks like debian repos only carry the most reacent version?
datacrusher
hello everyone. im using debian lenny, and when i call synaptic or the update manager they just dont open
how do i fix this?
phogg
JyZyXEL: try archive.debian.org
Titan8990
!tell JyZyXEL about snapshots
phogg
JyZyXEL: for released versions, anyway
datacrusher: run synaptic from a terminal. Do you see any errors printed?
JyZyXEL
http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/grub-pc/
404 not found
no such pacakge
jimbob
ok so I'm trying to install lenny over a local network ... what's funny is, the netboot installer only allows for installation over the internet (I'm on a modem connection right now), and the installer from the dvd (when booted over the net via PXE) wants to load the nic drivers from the DVD :S
datacrusher
odd. iv tryed synaptic from terminal didnt worked, sudo synaptic it opened ...
i think its only on the shortcut, besides it asks for a password
phogg, whats the command for the update manager?
phogg
datacrusher: no idea
JyZyXEL
hmm are the installed packages available in some directory?
jimbob
does anyone know if it's even possible to install debian over a local network?
Titan8990
JyZyXEL: the website has a search feature...
steelbox
hi there!
JyZyXEL
Titan8990: it didn't have grub-pc
now i need to find it from my backups
Titan8990
JyZyXEL: the search feature isn't that good hehe
datacrusher
phogg, .. its update-manager :)
only from terminal, sudo either
JyZyXEL
Titan8990: it still doesn't have it
steelbox
I have a problem when mounting a compact flash card via a usb cards reader; all filenames/folders are in lowercase. How to correct that?
JyZyXEL
so are the installed packages available in some directory?
Titan8990
JyZyXEL: http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/grub2/
JyZyXEL
interesting
Titan8990
JyZyXEL: /var/cache/apt/archives/
nocturnus
mount -t tmpfs -o size=500M none /tmp && mount -t aufs -o dirs=/tmp:/var none /var" works in allowed files put in /var to be stored in ram, but I lose keyboard/mouse capabilities when starting X, (iusing evdev/HAL)
JyZyXEL
oh ok
jimbob
SHITTING DICKNIPPLES
nocturnus
?
steelbox
I have a problem when mounting a compact flash card via a usb cards reader; all filenames/folders are in lowercase. How to correct that?
phogg
steelbox: IIRC there's a mount option for forcing lower/upper case for FAT
steelbox
phogg: even for compact flash cards?
phogg
steelbox: what does the card type matter? It's the filesystem. Is it FAT?
steelbox
I don't know
how can I check that?
jimbob
EAT SHIT AND DIE MOTHERFUCKER! I DONT GIVE A SHIT! I CANT EVEN INSTALL THIS CUMSUCKING PIECE OF SHIT THATS CALLED DEBIAN BECAUSE THE DICK LOVING CUMSWAPPERS WHO CREATED THIS SHITTY INSTALLER DIDNT EVEN ALLOW FOR A FUCKING INSTALL OVER A MOTHERFUCKING LOCAL NETWORK! FUCK YOU, YOU COCKSMOKING TEABAGGERS! EAT MY STOOL!
phogg
another satisified customer?
datacrusher
phogg, it locked. i got this on the terminal - http://pastebin.com/9vYZw5He
dondelelcaro
steelbox: by default, the filenames are lowercased because vfat et al. is case-insensitive
steelbox: unless you're doing something special, the actual case displayed doesn't matter
Titan8990
phogg: yep, and one who apparently doesn't know about apt-mirror, preseeding, or "expert mode" of the installer
Elshar_
Wow, looks like someone hasn't read any of the docs
steelbox
dondelelcaro: is there a way to correct that?
GNUtoo
hi, you seem to have gpe in your feeds,how much ram debian+gpe requires?
dondelelcaro
steelbox: there's nothing wrong with it; what are you trying to do?
phogg
datacrusher: What version of Debian are you running? This should not have happened on stable.
steelbox
dondelelcaro: in fact, I was surprised because it differs from ubuntu
dondelelcaro
steelbox: it just depends on the filesystem and the mount options given
GNUtoo
also is it the best WM for 64M of ram?
it must be as user-friendly as possible
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