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SerajewelKS
nat2610: create a local repository with that .deb
nat2610: alternatively, you can dpkg -i --force-depends on the .deb and then "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken dependencies. the former is cleaner, the latter is easier.
nat2610: obviously don't do the dpkg --force-depends route for anything core, like libc
abrotman
karlpinc: what?
orak3l
ive installed fglrx-driver with fglrx-modules-dkms. build was fine and fglrx.ko is in /lib/modules/$KERNEL/updates/dkms. i cant load the driver with modprobe (module not found) but it is working with "insmod"
is this expected?
cusco
try modprobe -l to list available modules
|greping whatever
orak3l
cusco, ok i can see update/dkms/fglrx.ko in the search path. but im not sure if this entry existed before i manually "insmod" fglrx
i have to reboot
JordiGH
Is it a security risk to have my private ssh key in a machine that may be physically compromised?
I mean, there's a key to the private key, but...
tharkun
JordiGH: is it safe to play with fire?
tuvyz
http://apcmag.com/why_i_quit_kernel_developer_con_kolivas.htm <- that's one sad story
abrotman
tharkun: depends how big the flame is ?
PinkFreud
JordiGH: your ssh key is as safe as the passphrase protecting it.
abrotman
tuvyz: #debian-offtopic
JordiGH
PinkFreud: Good enough for me.
abrotman
JordiGH: that said .. if they get your key, and you don't replace the pair .. they have infinite tries to figure out your passphrase
PinkFreud
JordiGH: Personally, I wouldn't place that much trust in it, but it's your key.
JordiGH
Well, are the current estimates for cracking 8 random printable ascii characters well below the heat death of the universe?
Maybe I should make it longer: 16 random printable ASCII characters.
PinkFreud
that was an interesting bot.
JordiGH: The way I view it is that having a passphrase on your key helps in case it escapes into the wild.
JordiGH: that being said, NEVER let your key escape into the wild. :P
lifestream
Where do I find the commands that debian runs on boot? Like mouting the disks, starting services
PinkFreud
lifestream: /etc/init.d
lifestream
PinkFreud, oh I see, then there's a file for each program.. I see...
Titan8990
mounting the disks isn't performed by a service
lifestream
No, "things like mounting the disks, *and* starting services"
there was a comma there :p
Titan8990
lifestream: I know, I was just pointing it out :). I am not sure what exactly mounts the disks... could still be a job of the bootloader
tharkun
JordiGH: Lets put it this way, the passphrase on your keypair is just a time ticket that you get in case your machine gets compromised so you can revoke it and set up a new one
Titan8990
in short it goes kernel boots -> rootfs is mounted -> rest of fs mounted -> services started
lifestream
Titan8990, I'm not interested in modding the disk config, that was just an example of "things that run on boot"
I just want to add 1 line to be run on boot
For everyone, not for user
Titan8990
lifestream: sysvconfig --listlinks
!tell lifestream about rc.local
lifestream
Ok so that file I can add custom changes
Ok, now, I want to stop mpd from loading on boot
Titan8990
lifestream: check you pm from dpkg
lifestream: man update-rc.d
lifestream
Hmm I don't want to stop it after it runs, I just don't want it to load *at all* on boot
cusco
so.. how can I make a keybind to perform a double-click ?
lifestream
Thanks for the info Titan8990 :-)
adb
cusco, why ?
Titan8990, think to /sbin/init as sources of all system
cusco
adb: how come why?
adb
cusco, why you need that ?
cusco
adb: because my coleague needs this accessibility feature
he is not physically capable of double clicking .. fast enough
but the why does not relly matter..
its the how :P
adb
cusco, on gnome ?
cusco
adb: yes
lindi-
cusco: xte?
adb
you may enable one click only for it
blizzow
crap, I just did aptitude dist-upgrade and now all gtk based apps die on contact. They give me; symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_malloc_n
cusco
lindi-: what is xte?
lindi-
cusco: tool to generate key clicks and mouse clicks
cusco
what is the package name?
[Jasper]
hej guys, is it possible somehow to reduce cpu fan speed from debian?
lindi-
cusco: apt-file search bin/xte
[Jasper]
its not doable in the bios..
lindi-
cusco: just bind F10 to run "xte mouseclick 0; xte mouseclick 0"
[Jasper]: depends entirely on the fan controller
[Jasper]
how can i find out lindi- ?
cusco
don't have apt-file ...
lindi-
[Jasper]: flashrom, superiotool, lspci, dmidecode
cusco: apt-get install apt-file
cusco: it's the standard tool for finding packages by file name
cusco
lindi-: yea I have been trying to avoid it
I know it, I think it slows down my machine
lindi-
cusco: you can use packages.debian.org too
[Jasper]: there's no automatic way
cusco
xautomation
sutem
hi
whats the best way to make a shell account for a user who wants to run an eggdrop?
jelly-home
adduser?
pngwn
heh
adb
cusco, you may change it in nautilus> Preferences> Behavior> check 'Single click to open items'
jelly-home
sutem: what's the difference between an irc bot user, and any other normal shell account user?
cusco
adb: that would not work inside netbeans...
sutem
i just dont want to enable the user to do any crappy things to the server
the rest doesnt really matter
PinkFreud
sutem: If you don't trust the user, don't give them an account.
cusco
Unknown command 'mouseclick'
sutem
mh okay thx
abrotman
sutem: does the user need a shell, or can you just setup the bot for them ?
m3tti
when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze??
PinkFreud
abrotman: at that point, he has to worry about how much access he gives the user to the bot. eggdrop owners tend to have access to the shell via the bot anyway...
abrotman
PinkFreud: he could chroot the bot if he really were that concerned
cusco
lindi-: sorry but how do I bind f10 to a custom command?
PinkFreud
gah, he left.
chrooting is always possible, but it still comes down to - don't give someone you don't trust any accesss. :)
ham5
ANY!
[Jasper]
lindi- SMBIOS 2.3 • DMI 2.1 • ACPI 1.0
cusco
im sure in gnome is somewhere in gconf
[Jasper]
does that help?
thick_mcrunfast
cusco: Not to point out anything too obvious, but have you tried Google?
cusco
thick_mcrunfast: yes just found it
thanks
lindi-: thanks for xte
bybye
lindi-
[Jasper]: not really :(
[Jasper]: which motherboard?
m3tti
when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze??
MorkBork
what are the odds of dhcp 4.1.1 being added to lenny?
or should i just install it manually
zinx
check backports
CutMeOwnThroat
0.0%
MorkBork
nah its not in backports
CutMeOwnThroat
lenny is stable, nothing is added to it but security updates
MorkBork
theres wide-dhcpv6-server in lenny but
Titan8990
,versions dhcp3-client
judd
dhcp3-client -- etch: 3.0.4-13; etch-security: 3.0.4-13+etch2; etch-backports: 3.1.1-5~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny3; lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; sid: 3.1.3-2; squeeze: 3.1.3-2; experimental: 4.1.0-1; experimental: 4.1.1-1
MorkBork
its been obsoleted
basically the wide-dhcpv6 people say... we're done, use isc dhcp 4 instead
CutMeOwnThroat
why 4.1.1?
MorkBork
ipv6
Titan8990
MorkBork: does that mean it no longer works? ifconfig has been obsoleted, but it is still in wide use
MorkBork
no, it still works, but it was a transient project, isc dhcp > 4. is the defacto standard moving forward
for dhcpv6 (ipv6)
CutMeOwnThroat
well, you can backport it for lenny... but that it's in experimental and not in testing/unstable can be a bad sign (or it can just be because the freeze is near)
!ssb
dpkg
First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
themill
It would seem unlikely to even be destined for inclusion in squeeze.
MorkBork
the quirk with it is that isc is a fail
and even though isc dhcp > 4.x supports both dhcp and dhcpv6, it wont do it in the same instance
CutMeOwnThroat
4.1.1-1; Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7), dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.2), groff, dpatch, po-debconf, libldap2-dev, libssl-dev
MorkBork
so i think its causing some issues for packagers
CutMeOwnThroat
doesn't look like it would be problematic to backport
MorkBork
no i dont think its the actual packaging, just the methodology they will use
to run two instances
i.e. two init scripts, or a line in defaults/dhcp, etc
in the end its all just for practice, but theres no sense practicing with something thats been abandoned
but i think even the newer versions of network manager will end up requiring isc dhcp > 4
PARLIAMENT
is there any way to see what package installed gnome-keyring as a dependency?
Titan8990
PARLIAMENT: aptitude why <package>
MorkBork
of course maybe its still too early to play with dhcpv6
since id have to hack up a dhcpv6 impl for each client
4.1 isnt even marked stable in gentoo, theres no osx impl, who knows with windows
themill
MorkBork: so why on earth would you expect to see it in debian stable?
CutMeOwnThroat
hehe
MorkBork
because this is something that i would expect to be fast tracked
given the exhaustion of ipv4
themill
dpkg: tell MorkBork about stable
MorkBork: there's already wide-dhcpv6-client, why does dhcp 4.1 need to be fast tracked?
MorkBork
full impl of the protocol, dependencies, etc
themill
a protocol that isn't yet stable with no reference implementation yet... sure.. I can see people caring about that RSN
dAnjou
hi, what's the best way to sync time on a server? i read about ntpdate (via cron) and chrony ...
what is better?
jpwhiting
can anyone help me get X to run at all, I've been trying to use nvidia, but it doesn't work
themill
dAnjou: use ntpd not ntpdate
MorkBork
dAnjou, use ntp and let it run all the time
thySEus
dAnjou: try rdate
jpwhiting
then I am trying nv (removed all traces of nvidia)
and it does the same thing
green stripes with grey stripes
nothing on the other monitor
hmm, maybe I'm missing something lower than the video, like agp support or something...
with both nv and nvidia I get no errors or warnings in Xorg.0.log
MorkBork
but yes i think dhcpv6 is a core issue moving forward the next 2 years
its spec'd in docsis 3.0, etc
themill
MorkBork: s/2/20/ and you might be right.
dAnjou
thySEus: quote wikipedia "rdate is the older standard that in many cases is now replaced by ntp/ntpd." ... ?
MorkBork
you realize ipv4 exhaustion is about 2 years away right?
no, its not going to make things come to a screeching halt
PinkFreud
MorkBork: ipv4 exhaustion has been about 2 years away for the past decade.
themill
MorkBork: perhaps you'll find more people who care in ##networking
defrysk
dhcp ftw
MorkBork
shrug
defrysk
hehe
MorkBork
if you dont believe me, read the data for yourself
its not chicken little
verizon and comcast are already starting to do in depth testing
CutMeOwnThroat
is that like with fossil fuels, then? They'll always be exhausted within ~20 years... for the last 50 years
MorkBork
google just flipped the switch on ipv6 (google, youtube, etc)
defrysk
so ipv4 depletes in 2012
how fascinating
they should make a movie about that
MorkBork
well theres talk of reclaiming, but the concensus is that its a legal quagmire
themill
MorkBork: getting client software to actually work with ipv6 is more important. Go fix some ipv6 bugs (e.g. with java) instead. There are plenty.
MorkBork
its probably not as big of an issue in north america
but its a major issue for asia
some asian isps are pure ipv6 already
themill
(Action) points towards #debian-offtopic
CutMeOwnThroat
(Action) points towards themill who points towards #debian-offtopic
phoul
when i try and run a login as a user to login to a different user i get the message No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
what does this mean
action09
hi all, can someone tell me why nessus is in repostiory ? i thought it's closed source now .
rvsjoen
the old version isnt
CutMeOwnThroat
phoul, are you actually running the program "login"?
phoul
i beleive so, im running login by itself from bash
action09
rvsjoen : nessus is presented in the repo as "Version 4 of the Nessus Scanner " quite "new"
CutMeOwnThroat
what is "running login"?
Atog
I've got a server that initially started out on an i386 machine.. I've since replaced the hardware and it's now running on IA-64 hardware.. would a normal apt-get upgrade be sufficient to convert the system to all IA-64 packages after forcing the architecture with the apt config option: "APT::Architecture"?
phoul
open bash and type login