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catfive_
thanks SerajewelKS , abrotman
SerajewelKS
or you need to try the same device on another computer
catfive_: np, any time you need misinformation, just ask
catfive_
heh
for the record, aptitude had no objections
qfr
What is state of the art traffic shaping software for Linux? Somebody told me that everything ultimately still uses tcng which hasn't been updated since 2003. I am currently failing to build it on my Arch router - which is why I am asking. Apparently there are modified versions of it in the Debian repositories from which I was using it successfully back then. Apparently this is it: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/nondebian/view/tcng/10b-3 - I have no idea
if I can use this with Arch, though.
solifugus
Why might I be getting an ssh prompt for password? I did: ssh-keygen -t dsa && scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub 10.15.92.132:/home/rcbackup/.ssh/authorized-keys
themill
dpkg: tell solifugus about ssh permissions
solifugus: you're better off using ssh-copy-id btw
solifugus
themill: I'll try that, since even with permissions like this, it still doesn't work: -rw------- 1 rcbackup rcbackup 623 2010-05-13 10:48 authorized-keys
themill
solifugus: it's not just they key file, it's also ~/ and ~/.ssh that are important. And check the filename there... that doesn't look right.
simonrvn
qfr: i don't see whay not, it's mostly just patching the autoconf stuff
qfr
Ok cheers, the Arch AUR might require an update there, they should probably use the Debian code
simonrvn or has tcng been superceded as a QoS tool?
For Linux?
solifugus
themill: ok.. it works now.. I remembering fighting with RHEL over this same issue once.. Their ssh package didn't even include the ssh-copy-id command.
simonrvn
qfr: why*
Salvia
(Action) alema0 ja que vc nao vai por o banza eu vou fazer sozinho
{g}
Hi People! I installed Debian and I have huuuuuuuge form buttons in icewasel and a lot of other stuff is huge too. The start menu, window menus etc.
solifugus
Or was that cygwin? I forget
{g}
Which setting is doing that?
qfr
simonrvn: Because I don't want to invest time in fixing outdated software while Linux might have moved on to something totally different for programmatic low level traffic shaping confdiguration?
themill
solifugus: ssh-copy-id is most excellent ;)
simonrvn
people use tc from ip
qfr
Oh, you fixed the whay*
simonrvn
qfr: most people use tc from ip
(load avg. is ~8 right now)
mattcen
Hi all. Having done a minimal install of Lenny, and then manually installed xorg, fluxbox, and xdm, what is the correct way to start X on boot?
wols
mattcen: it's automatically running xdm when you have installed it
qfr
simonrvn: tcng generates tc scripts it seems - they are INCREDIBLY long and cryptic :|
tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 protocol all prio 1 u32 match u16 0x0 0xffc0 at 2 match u8 0x5 0xf at 0 match u8 0x0 0xf0 at 33 match u8 0x11 0xff at 9 offset at 0 mask 0f00 shift 6 eat link 23:0:0
tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 protocol all prio 1 handle 23:0:1 u32 ht 23:0:0 match u16 0x4c6f 0xffff at 0 classid 1:2
It goes on like that for 500+ lines
simonrvn
ah. pretty typical actually.
mattcen
wols: Oh so it is. I *almost* just tried rebooting, but didn't see anything relevent in /etc/inittab, so assumed it wasn't working. Thanks :-)
dv-
You can start xdm without reboot too
qfr
simonrvn it seems like people use pyshaper, wondershaper etc to generate the tc code instead
simonrvn
i'd stick with tcng for now then since tc on its own is too damned opaque ;)
qfr
I should probably just use those then :|
simonrvn
yeh, i use wondershaper
qfr
Well I have failed to build tcng on Arch so far ;/
The AUR entry for it appears to be broken
simonrvn
(modified ever so slightly)
{g}
Hello Helloohohoho! Where do I set the font size of the menus of the windows in Debian? Anyone? I got groteskely big fonts there...
simonrvn
'grotesquely'
Bushmills
"debian windows"? head scratch.
niklaswe
{g}: do you mean set dpi ?
simonrvn
probably
{g}
niklaswe: i dont know. the titles and menus of the windows are *big*. too big.
niklaswe
if you starting X from console mode.. can you set in your .bash_profile alias startx="startx -- -dpi 96"
{g}
niklaswe: X starts magically on its own after i hit the power button.
niklaswe
then you must fix your dpi setting in gdm, or xdm
{g}
there is a video here: http://ubuntuclips.org/videos_28.html that looks good. but there seems to be no "fonts" thingy in debian.
dv-
{g}: System -> Preferences -> Apperance -> Fonts
Appearance*
{g}
dv-: aahhhh!
dv-
You're running GNOME by the way
simonrvn
for half a second there i thought you were yelling in fright
{g}: ^^
{g}
still, the fonts used in forms in iceweasel are giant
and it doesnt change with the fonts settings in appearance.
dv-
Have you tried unchecking the "Allow pages to use their own fonts" option?
{g}
dv-: where is that?
dv-
In iceweasel, edit -> preferences -> content -> advanced
the second "advanced" that is
dkay
hello #debian
ive mounted a ftp account with curlftpfs
i dont know which os is used
{g}
dv-: hmm... all these font settings do not affect the forms.
dkay
but i cant copy files to it, it says
cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/ftp/file.tar': Operation not permitted
i do this as root and the file owns root also
{g}
dkay: do you have ssh access to the server? if so, sshfs is working really nicely.
dkay
no
i dont
{g}
dkay: only ftp?
dkay
its a ftp account
simonrvn
dkay: check the dir's perms, and also the perms of the mountpoint
{g}: the dpi needs setting i bet. s/he can do that in the appearance > fonts then click the details... button
dkay
drwxrwx--- 2 root root 4096 May 11 10:01 files
{g}
simonrvn: i played around with that.
dkay: and what outputs "whoami"?
dkay
i am root :P
simonrvn
{g}: set to like 80 or so
dkay
lol
simonrvn
should help a lot
{g}
simonrvn: then all fonts become tiny tiny tiny. except in forms in iceweasel. they stay huge.
simonrvn
the forms take in the page's font settings
{g}
simonrvn: and a few other fonts as well. for example the iceweasel status bar.
dv-
Sounds like your iceweasel is broken. Consider downloading Firefox
{g}
dv-: i already have downloaded firefox. same result. i wonder if firefox might have killed iceweasel.
simonrvn
dimensions: 1152x864 pixels resolution: 96x96 dots per inch # gnome has 80dpi ;p
{g}: if they had similar versions, probably not
{g}
simonrvn: ice is 3.0. FF is 3.7
simonrvn
shouldn't matter
ham5
Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2010 mozilla.org
{g}
simonrvn: but i only downloaded FF into a folder. no installing.
simonrvn
yes and?
{g}
simonrvn: maybe because i set the screen resolution via xrandr?
dv-
Remove .mozilla?
simonrvn
{g}: what's it at now? and the moz apps aren't always responsive to X changes. they got better with gtk support, but still a few places they suck.
{g}
simonrvn: what is what at?
simonrvn
dpi
{g}
simonrvn: i set it back to 132. i think that was the default.
rox
hello, what's the new canonical way to restart network?
simonrvn
screen size?
rox: invoke-rc.d
rox
simonrvn: the same complaint
{g}
simonrvn: 1280x1024 on my external monitor. switched back to my internal now. 1280x800.
simonrvn
rox: or ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
rox
simonrvn: it complains about being deprecated
simonrvn
rox: or -a if you want all of them ;p
rox
ok
{g}
simonrvn: also my font in the task bar looks big.
rox
simonrvn: ifup/down doesn't reset the routing table :-/
simonrvn
{g}: my screen size is similar. i found anything bigger than 100x100 to be too effing icky.
djura-san
how to check app version in repos using apt in debian sid?
simonrvn
djura-san: what?
rox: no, invoke-rc.d networking stop && .... start does
djura-san
how can i check app version in my repos using apt?
i want to know what pidgin version is available in experimental repos
simonrvn
djura-san: your repos, or what's available?
djura-san
my repos
wols
djura-san: apt-cache policy
{g}
simonrvn: i think i will switch back to ubuntu. never had that problem there.
ham5
;version pidgin
?
wols
,versions pidgin
judd
pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny6; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2
ham5
o yeah
simonrvn
djura-san: apt-cache policy if you have experimental sources... you should consider using testing instead
wols
simonrvn: testing? stable!
djura-san
im using sid all the times but im curious just to see the version ;)
simonrvn
he'll complain that's "too old"....
ham5
pidgin just came out with 2.7
build yourself
:)
djura-san
i have experimental repos for fun but i pined down the unstable one just in case ;)
\amethyst
2.7 is in unstable
simonrvn
djura-san: yes, and your level of expertise i'd recommend using stable
\amethyst
in some architectures
djura-san
simonrvn: i believe i can handle sid most of my times :)
:>
okay, tnx guys for answer :)
simonrvn
i hope your $deity is lenient with you in that case
djura-san
i will assume that that is a good thing :>
dbbolton
i am planning to repartition my hard drive. is there anything i should back up other than /etc, /root/, and /home ?
wols
(Action) is a solpsist. I'm always lenient with myself
dbbolton: any data you want to keep. e.g /var might have some like mail, webpages etc
simonrvn
/usr/local too if you have stuff there
dbbolton
the only mail i get is about failed cron jobs
themill
dbbolton: for some other ideas, /msg dpkg things to backup
dbbolton
of course, the all-knowing dpkg
rox
does anybody know, did just /etc/init.d/networking restart get deprecated or also stop and start
abrotman
should work fine
nsadmin
I'm getting ready to boot a later kernel for my ol k6 box... what is the deal with installing the newer udev package? when exactly should it be installed?
going from a custom 2.6.18 to a very-close-to-debian-but-still-custom 2.6.26
jordanm
nsadmin: should be explained in the upgrading section of the release notes
qubodup
hello
I would like to have some GPL advice
it's about a texture for a foss game, which wants to be debian-clean
jordanm
!ask
dpkg
If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
frol
Hi
I have an issue installing Debian 5.0 on my computer
the install program can't find th disk driver
mguy
What is your disk controller?
frol
mguy: Good question ;) How answer to this question
jordanm
!kmuto
dpkg
For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
frol
it is a SATA
^^
jordanm
frol: I would just try kmuto
frol
jordanm: oki thnaks
fubada
hi
nsadmin
is there an apt/aptitude/dpkg/apt-get that can use faster storage and access techniques for the package database?
qubodup
hi
I'm sorry, I watned to ask something but then did so, on a different channel accidentally
Can the following term be added to a GPLed texture? "Some source textures have been used which are created by CGTextures.com. Permission is granted to use these specific textures under the GPLv2 or any later version (at your option). As additional requirement, this text should be included in a relevant place in any released product. Note that textures downloaded from CGTextures.com DO NOT fall under the GPL license by default."
dupondje
Is there a 2.6.32 kernel + xen hypervisor for Lenny around ? backports doens't contain the hypervisor :(
nsadmin
qubodup: (a) DO NOT listen to me... consult an attorney (b) it says in the GPL you can't add restrictive conditions
qubodup
nsadmin: but how is this 'restrictive'?
pipeline
qubodup: it requires you to do something that the gpl does not require
\amethyst
qubodup: because it adds an additional requirement on top of those imposed by the GPL itself
pipeline
qubodup: it doesn't really matter though. You're going to have to include the GPL in your EULA anyway; adding an extra blurb about cgtextures.com shouldn't be any skin off your back :P
qubodup
nsadmin: What about Section 7 of the GPL?
nsadmin
including something like the gfdl :)
qubodup
pipeline: I don't have an EULA :) I want to upload a texture that was created for warzone2100 to opengameart.org
themill
pipeline: debian doesn't have a EULA though does it?
\amethyst
qubodup: that would be fine in gpl3 probably
SerajewelKS
qubodup: "relevant place" is also very ambiguous
themill
\amethyst: yeah, ยง7b would appear to explicitly permit that.
unkmar
I'm back.
SerajewelKS
qubodup: if you want to release it as free content, release it as free content. don't half-ass it with bizarre restrictions.
qubodup: alternatively, use something like cc-by
unkmar
I have a base install. No X. :(
I installed X but it crashed.
nsadmin
unkmar: congratulations on getting the base going...
is it lenny or squeeze