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delsol
yeah.... vs openGL that lets you add a software rendering mode really easily.
Kevin`
lots of non-game 3d software ends up using opengl
even if it's a windows app
delsol
the other advantage of going openGL with software rendering lets you do crazy sh*t.
TimothyA
and cross-os compatability?
out of ze box
delsol
yeah.
Kevin`
portability? who cares about writing portable code
TimothyA
Kevin`; bigger audience
delsol
And get more awesome and run at higher resolutions on later hardware easily.
TimothyA
and it would make the other platforms more popular
delsol
So when you write the game.... it may only run on high end video hardware.... a year later, it may run on low end video hardware.... a year after that, it'll run at max resolution in software rendering on a god damn laptop.
Kevin`
all you need to do is run on whatever version of windows happens to be popular on desktops when you start developing
it'll work out
delsol
Kevin`: OpenGL also makes it easier to port to Wii/PS2/PS3 etc
Kevin`
hacker systems. xbox all the way
delsol
and since windows games are pirated at a MUCH higher rate than games for any other platform.........
Kevin`
that's only because it's the best
delsol
LOL.....
Xgc
I was expecting the GTX 260 (OC) to run hotter. Never seems to go above 42C even under load (PassMark). I guess this benchmark program doesn't really stress it.
delsol
Xgc: Depends on the game or the bench
some stuff doesn't stress out a GPU too much
other stuff makes it just sit and thrash like you wouldn't believe.
You could always fold with it......
Saiko
what is a PCI BEV: MBA?
I can boot from it
delsol
whats its device ID number?
Saiko
v9.4.5 slot 0800
thats all it states
ah its a network boot
delsol
Ahhhh......
amcsi
A computer part seems to have burned. Which part? When I turn my computer on, the lights in the front light up for less than a secong, goes out, and nothing happens.
ToAruShiroiNeko
what sound does it make
does it yell?
like beeps and etc
amcsi
no, doesn't get anywhere near BIOS
ToAruShiroiNeko
your motherboard, vga card cpu and ram are the initial suspects
also your power supply
I probably listed most of your hardware :)
amcsi
vga card... it did seem to overheat all the time
ToAruShiroiNeko
how many ram do you have
ram sticks
amcsi
1x 2gb
ToAruShiroiNeko
try moving it to a different slot
amcsi
I did smell burning
okay, I'll move ram
ToAruShiroiNeko
not a good sign
if that doesnt work try reseting your bios
you can do this by unpluging your coumputer and then removing the bios battery
waiting for 30 seconds should do the trick
if these do not work its probably a more serious problem
I'd start with trying another power supply
amcsi
I unplugged everything and turned on just the power supply
its fan didn't start
foobarz
wall switch on ur power socket?
amcsi
it's fine
at 1
the_cyber_guy
as intel has released two types of socket, 1156 for mainstream and 1366 for extreme, unlike using there former socket type lga 775 for both extreme and mainstream use, is it worth to buy a motherboard with lga 1366 considering future upgrades
RichiH
will the core i3, i5, i7 be released on ULV versions for laptops, as well?
or, to ask the other way round, is there any sense to waiting with buying ultra-mobile laptops, atm?
Beelsebob
RichiH: yes, ULV versions will be released
but they've apparently been delayed
and as always, apple is first in line for them
foobarz
intel chips seem to hold thier value until they are out of stock... when i want to upgrade the cpu later, maybe u can't find it or if u do, it will still cost a lot and the same money buys a newer model that is much better
i think cpu upgrades won't make sense a lot of the time
the_cyber_guy
yeah thats true but intel is releasing 1156 cpu more frequently than 1366 cpus and they are also much faster
foobarz
there will be more 1366 cpus coming i think but I also think they will be expensive... big price ramping for extreme and servers
not going to make sense to cpu grade with them much, but will be not bad for building new with
rich will do it tho
the_cyber_guy
so they have just called 1366 cpus, extreme series, just because of thier higher bandwidth
ajavid
how does indexing in windows 7 work? is it faster than xp?
foobarz
well, if I understand anything right... the whole 1366 platform is really high-end and extreme, and workstation/server... not mainstream/value
ajavid
should I turn off indexing service?
foobarz
LGA1366 has looked too expensive for me anyhow
has anyone built a computer with Core i5-660 etc on a Intel 3420 Chipset server/workstation board with ECC memory ? I wonder how that kind of a system works out... it is maybe a good value for maybe reliable computer
the_cyber_guy
so should one buy a 1156 or 1366 if he is building a system in $2000 ?
bulding the fastest possible in this much amount
The20Year1
1366
foobar , it wouldn't be bad for a sub $800 PC
foobarz
i am trying to keep my computer under $1500, and if possible, close to $1200, i don't know about what $2000 gets
that is a different market from me
The20Year1: yeah, a Core i5-660 is cheaper than a Xeon 3450 and it still does ECC UDIMM on a Intel 3420 chipset board... it is a strange build
it would give AES-NI, ECC, low-power, and decent performance for me
just only 2C/4T
a Core i5-660, eVGA GT 240 superclocked, 8GB ECC ram DDR3-1333, and Asus P7F-M WS would be a nice little system maybe
i still can't find price on Asus P7F-M WS
oh.. i see a price and pounds
in pounds
i guess a Asus P7F-M WS is about $217
do hard drives automatically spin-up 1 at a time on new computers?
THE_GFR|WORK
hey everyone I have a compaq desktop computer here with pentium D 2.8GHz CPU and it reads 58/59c in the bios idle, in windows 49/50c idle and with a load in windows it runs if the CPU is at max usage 72c
I have only the stock cooler on it that came with the computer
I would say anything above 50c is too hot but then again I cleaned out the system and the fan/heatsink and replaced it with new thermal paste to no avail ideas?
ToAruShiroiNeko
which one is better for hard drive cooling
single fan or double fans
THE_GFR|WORK
depends on the size of the single fan
ToAruShiroiNeko
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110577&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=577&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
THE_GFR|WORK
the larger single ones would be better
they move more air at lower speeds
so they are quieter
ToAruShiroiNeko
performance wise though it wouldnt make a serious difference
I dont use my drives inside a volcano
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: it will make the drives last longer
ToAruShiroiNeko: and they will work better at a cooler temperature
ToAruShiroiNeko
yeah
one other question
for case fans
is it better for the side fan to blow to or away from the cpu fan
away makes more sense
z3rongod_
I am currently running more than one game servers on a machine with windows installed. I am trying to figure out a solution to use less resources from the machine or use more servers on it. I was told to look into "virtualization" as the servers are almost identical. Could someone point me to the right direction?
spridel
strange, On my other box it can connect to my router but it will not connect to the web, however on this one i can get anywhere
any Ideas on what's going on?
panzer
check dns
z3rongod_: www.google.com
do0ob
what would happen if i put 8GB of ram (2x4GB) into a laptop with specifications stating that only 4GB is supported, the chipset and cpu: (Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub, T7300 CPU)?
ToAruShiroiNeko
I have a CoolerMaster CM690 ATX Mid Tower Case and I am considering adding fans
do0ob
are 8GB ram sticks hotter than 4GB sticks, i mean they should be if they're effectively having more than twice the density
ToAruShiroiNeko
not sure of the best confguration
do0ob unless you have a 64bit OS you dont need any more than 4gb of ram
hawk
do0ob: It may simply not accept the 4GB sticks at all
do0ob
ToAruShiroiNeko: yup, 64bit
hawk: yea thats what i'm afraid of, but if the os is 64bit then it should handle the ram 4GB max vs 8GB is nothing really, to fully address the 4GB+GPU+Peripherals you'd need 64bit hardware
its*
hawk
do0ob: What I'm saying is that the machine may not even POST
do0ob
why wouldn't it post?
hawk
do0ob: If it doesn't like the RAM
do0ob
maybe the docs were created when the 4GB single module didn't exist
it can't be a question of not liking it, its about specifications
hawk
do0ob: Ok, sorry about the wording. It may be that it's not compatible with the RAM
THE_GFR|WORK
hey everyone I have a compaq desktop computer here with pentium D 2.8GHz CPU and it reads 58/59c in the bios idle, in windows 49/50c idle and with a load in windows it runs if the CPU is at max usage 72c
any ideas as to if this CPU is overheating and needs a better cooler or what?
hawk
do0ob: Either the docs are wrong or it truly isn't compatible, and if it isn't compatible it may very well not POST
do0ob
hm... i'll see if i can get some ram from the second hand shop
THE_GFR|WORK
guess nobody knows... darn
do0ob
THE_GFR|WORK: is that a pre-built one?
THE_GFR|WORK
do0ob: yes
do0ob: didn't I say "compaq" ?
do0ob
yea..
hawk
THE_GFR|WORK: It's running fairly hot... You may want to start with seeing if the heatsink is all gunked up with dust or something
THE_GFR|WORK
hawk: I cleaned out the heatsink, cleaned the CPU and heatsink and reapplied thermal paste
hawk
THE_GFR|WORK: It's not running so hot that it should really take short term damage or become unstable, though
THE_GFR|WORK
hawk: I would say its too hot but I was wondering this is the stock heatsink could the sensor be malfunctioning?
do0ob
is it normal for wireless cards to run hot? it seems to be the hottest thing on the underside of my laptop
THE_GFR|WORK
do0ob: yes sometimes
hawk: any other ideas? its a compaq with a stock ECS motherboard...
ToAruShiroiNeko
THE_GFR|WORK why not use speeddisk
it lets you read temprature measurements
you'd need to run it as administrator though
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: I am reading them in windows with a program. I was wondering if the physical sensor might be giving me bad readings that happens sometimes you know
hawk
THE_GFR|WORK: Not impossible
THE_GFR|WORK
yea but I'm just wondering if I should consider changing the heatsink for whatever reason it seems too warm at max load ( 72c ) appears to be over the max for the CPU I think?
ToAruShiroiNeko
THE_GFR|WORK if its showing -2 degrees yes its wrong
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: sometimes they can read higher temps then they actually are
ToAruShiroiNeko
true
but really it wouldnt matter
do0ob
oh god not an ECS motherboard, i hate them, the worst drivers ever, vista just randomly crashed
ToAruShiroiNeko
72C isnt too hot
its not exactly cool either
could air flow be blocked with cables
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: its too hot. I can't have my CPU above 50c in windows...
ToAruShiroiNeko
or maybe the airflow is working in the wrong direction
THE_GFR|WORK
no its all clean not blocked
ToAruShiroiNeko
strange than
is the cpu overclocked?
THE_GFR|WORK
do0ob: thats what I said "groan... not ECS... *sigh*"
do0ob
thermal paste?
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: nope
do0ob: yea I stated I cleaned the CPU and heatsink and applied new thermal paste
do0ob
and that made no difference?
THE_GFR|WORK
nope
none
do0ob
oh, bios
THE_GFR|WORK
yea it sits at 58/59c in the bios
do0ob
yea you have to mess with bios settings and change the temps at which it aggressively cools the cpu
THE_GFR|WORK
do0ob: would be nice if the bios had those options
ToAruShiroiNeko
a question
THE_GFR|WORK
or a way to turn off the smart fan stuff
ToAruShiroiNeko
do you think I should try to squeeze a fan on that back gap
do0ob
i thought they only hide stuff in laptops
ToAruShiroiNeko
the one taht'd be coverd by the motherboard
but the cpu would align there
THE_GFR|WORK
do0ob: hide stuff in laptops and women... ;p
anyhow
do0ob
THE_GFR|WORK: does it make a difference if you leave the case open?
do CAS 4.4.4 DD2 800MHz SODIMM RAM modules exist?
2x2GB
the only CAS4 modules i've found are 533
hawk: LOOKK!!! i found a forum thread to justify buying 2x4GB rather than 2x2GB: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/General-Discussion/8GB-RAM-Laptops/m-p/38412
ToAruShiroiNeko
THE_GFR|WORK err
"hide stuff in laptops and women..."
I dont think your GFs like you
as you seem to use them as extra storage space :P
hawk
do0ob: ok, great
THE_GFR|WORK
ToAruShiroiNeko: was a joke
Earl|away
would you recommend ECC RAM?
ToAruShiroiNeko
I know THE_GFR|WORK
I exteded the joke
dont you love extensions?
you certainly use it with hardware, so why not with jokes? :)