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n17ikh
and software
diktal
yep
n17ikh
catalyst media center is the biggest turd I've ever seen
Armand
n17ikh: I can't say I've ever had a problem with NVidia.. aside from my own stupidity. :P
I knocked a surface mount resistor of a GPU.. >_<
n17ikh
well, only problem I've run into with nvidia I can think of right now is a really annoying one
Armand
*off
n17ikh
the "use nvidia scaling" options in the control panel just don't work
no matter what I set there, the application's resolution is what it sets the output resolution to
diktal
it also had some issues with the video zoomings
or.. maybe the scalings?
umm
n17ikh
which drives me nuts with applications that don't support the native resolution of my screen
or worse, the aspect ratio
diktal
haha
Armand
I would blame Zalman's design, as the contact surface is far too large for a GPU.
diktal
but they should read out from monitor then vga
Absolute0
does linux work well with some of these tv tuners?
n17ikh
well, that's why I recommend Hauppauge
they always do
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards
a lot of cheap cards have a generic chip that's somewhat a pain to get working
Absolute0
this one looks appealing: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116028&cm_re=Hauppauge-_-15-116-028-_-Product
"Great Option for Linux/Mythtv"
n17ikh
apparently that one works good on digital TV
Absolute0
for $50 more you can buy a tv :)
n17ikh
not so much if you want analog on linux
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250
Absolute0
and have them side by side with your computer
work on one watch on the other..
n17ikh
nice thing about digital TV is that you don't need very much hardware to capture it
you just have to write the stream out to disk as-is
so good digital capture cards can be cheaper than analog ones eventually
Absolute0
how good is the resolution on the hauppauge cards?
can it go to you monitor's size?
hawk
Absolute0: I would guess it produces same res as the source?
Absolute0
aha
if the source is rabbit years?
ears
n17ikh
you can get ATSC in resolutions up to 1080p
it depends on what the broadcaster does.
Most will be 480p
which ain't all that great
mysgroda
What the freaking heck is "Intel Celeron Dual-Core"?
I thought Celeron was Intel's "worthless piece of sh*t" CPU line.
anamal
can i just ask why laptops these days have glossy screens?
mysgroda
Because they are completely insane.
It looks like crap and is just horribly bad in every way.
anamal
every review i read critizes them, so why did they put them in every laptop out there
foobarz
that gloss is not a big peel-off layer?
LSD`
Colour brightness and reproduction is better on glossy. Mattes are dull and lifeless.
Absolute0
anamal: you can request for a matte display.
||cw
mysgroda: there's a core2 based celeron now
it's still reduced cache
anamal
ah i didnt know that
LSD`
Yeah, Intel have gotten so good at making dual cores there's not enough faulty ones to make single core celerons anymore :P
anamal
but those must be the 'bsiness' versions of the same model, then?
Absolute0
LSD`: well if you sit near a window, its pretty bad
||cw
Absolute0: no worse than a CRT
Absolute0
do they still make CRT's? :)
||cw
and a matte screen sitting in a place where glossy glares will look very washed out and be hard to read anyway
mysgroda
WHY have they started putting 2 GB RAM in all laptops when they used to use 4 GB over a year ago?
Absolute0
mysgroda: you can request more ram
DixitDominus
missgorda because of power issues?
Absolute0
:-D
LSD`
probably because they've moved to DDR3 and DDR3 prices haven't quite stabilised yet
DarkED
mysgroda, because if it only has 2GB they don't need to load it with a 64-bit OS
mysgroda, plus... 2GB is cheaper than 4GB
mysgroda
Power issues?
Hrm.
DarkED
mysgroda, money issues.
DixitDominus
missgorda DDR3 uses less juice, and the new one's from Samsung about to hit the corner will sip even less.
DarkED
64-bit copies of oem windows are slightly more expensive than 32-bitr
bit* even
Zathraz
Hi. Is this a good channel to ask about raidcontroller issues? (I have a 3ware 8006-lp2 with a serious issue)
mysgroda
Windows 7 costs more than a computer with Windows 7 on it.
DixitDominus
oh yeah, that too about the 64bit thingy
DarkED
for example they might pay microsoft $2 per key for 32-bit and $2.25 per key for x64
Absolute0
newegg doesn't carry CRT displays
Gyndawyr
what is QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter?
||cw
Zathraz: I have a 7400 and a 9500, they work better if you don't use their raid features
DarkED
Absolute0, that's cause CRT displays are obsolete :D
mysgroda
Does Microsoft provide downloadable CD/DVD images of Windows 7 on their Web site for free?
Absolute0
DarkED: not in the graphic design world..
||cw
Gyndawyr: do you know what Fibre Channel is?
LSD`
mysgroda: OEMs pay a hell of a lot less for Windows than retail customers, abotu USD$50 per licence
DarkED
Absolute0, if you really need a good CRT just try your local Goodwill. sometimes to luck up and find a good trinitron or diamondtron
mysgroda
The first thing I want to do when I have bought a new laptop with a Windows 7 license is to nuke the box and install a fresh copy with my license.
LSD`
mysgroda: If you're a Technet/MSDN subscriber, sure
mysgroda
I am not an anything subscriber.
Zathraz
1 disk fails in a raid1 setup after reboot. Now detaching and reattaching the disk from both cli as well as the webgui states that is going to rebuild. But rebuiding never takes place
Gyndawyr
I dont know what Fibre channel is..
mysgroda
I am 99% sure that I won't be getting a physical DVD with Windows 7 when I buy the laptop, and I don't want to rely on a pirate copy being "clean".
Gyndawyr
Im trying to cut the windows folder size down, and to do that I can remove it's support, but I dont know what it is, so I came to find out
||cw
Zathraz: check the verify window options
mysgroda
I just want to use my legal serial key on a clean copy.
DixitDominus
the first thing I do with m$$ is to get a pirated copy.
||cw
Zathraz: under schedualing I think
Gyndawyr
I will use a legal serial key and then activate it offline so I can use it an infinite number of times
mysgroda
Or does the agreement state that it is only allowed if I use their pre-installed bloatware?
Gyndawyr
I obtained it legally I may as well use it
DarkED
Absolute0, also if you're interested i have two identical black 19" sony trinitron flat-CRT's. they're rebranded as dell but it's the same fu*king monitor
Zathraz
(0x0B:0x0048): Invalid verify operation for the given unit mode : Failed to start Verify on Unit 0
DixitDominus
I obtain legal copies on torrents
LSD`
I gave up pirating Windows when they introduced WGA. Became too much hassle to be worth it. Luckily I was able to get XP for free and then came the Win7 beta, but once that's up I'll be buying a legal copy
Zathraz
when looking at the scheduling menu: (0x0C:0x0017): Scheduling is not supported on this controller model
DarkED
LSD`, there's no effort in it at all
there are copies of windows 7 floating around on the torrent sites that need no key and no activation
they 'just work'
LSD`
DarkED: Until MS change WGA again
DarkED
LSD`, no, because the WGA has been taken out of the image entirely
it just isn't there
||cw
Zathraz: the new disk is at least as big as existing right?
mysgroda
So... I can't download a DVD image from Microsoft.com somewhere, burn it, put it in my new laptop and use the serial key I just got included? What is bad about that?
||cw
hey if you guys wan't to argue about WGA take it to ##windows ro something
LSD`
DarkED: Until MS put it back
mysgroda
Damn. I thought I was in #Windows.
DarkED
<mysgroda> So... I can't download a DVD image from Microsoft.com somewhere, burn it, put it in my new laptop and use the serial key I just got included? What is bad about that? <-- you can if it's the same version of windows (i.e. windows 7 ultimate and you have a win 7 ultimate key)
<LSD`> DarkED: Until MS put it back <-- yeah. like that's gonna happen.
mysgroda
There is only one disc...
I assume that each serial key is tied to one edition.
DarkED
it is
mysgroda
So what are you talking about?
DarkED
it has always been that way
LSD`
DarkED: It has in the past and it will again in the future. Easier to just buy a copy.
Zathraz
||cw both disks were bought at the same time and are identical
(same brand, type, size that is)
DarkED
mysgroda, i think you misunderstand. there are different keys for all the different editions of windows. home basic has it's own set of keys. home premium has it's own set. professional or whatever has it's own set, and ultimate has it's own set
||cw
Zathraz: can you connect the new disk as JBOD and use it OK? smart tests pass and such?
DarkED
you can't activate home premium with an ultimate key
mysgroda
DarkED: What the hell are you talking about?
DarkED
mysgroda, what the hell are you talking about?
mysgroda
DarkED: What the hell are you talking about?
DarkED
mysgroda, just forget it
Zathraz
||cw, jbod is not an option on that card afaik. Have not tried any tests on it though. Just found it weird that the GUI reports the disk as ok yet does keep the disk in degraded state
never knew a disk could be degraded. An array ok.... but a disk...
||cw
Zathraz: really, jbod has always been an option, and still is on my 9500S
I the degraded disk is just due to abstraction
it doens't care that it's a disk, it just knows it can't use it right
vn-
how do you use polycom videoconferencing solutions/cams? say its on the same network, you just type in the name of the other host or..? can you connect to someone with another videoconferencing solution/product such as a single quickcam?
Zathraz
Port 1 ST31500541AS 1.36 TB OK <---- seems ok, (however when I add the drive to unit0 : outch --> error). No idea what error btw as the log does not seem to be readable for some reason
maslen
How much is a fair price for a no-name stick o f 2 GB DDR2 RAM
||cw
Zathraz: run smart tests on it?
steve
hi all
is it normal to have dark patches on a laptop LCD?
not shockingly dark... but noticably so
kind of like patches where the backlight isn't uniform
Zathraz
no errors were reported by: smartctl -a /dev/twe0 -d 3ware,1
so the disk seems ok. I could try to format it/zero it. Yet that seems a bit weird as a way to force a rebuild of the array
||cw
steve: on a new one, no. on old, yes. CFL backlights will become non-uniform with age
steve
||cw: this is new
it's about the 6th panel i've had from the manufacturer and they are _all_ like this with differing degrees of severity
especially noticable when the backlight is dimmed
only laptop i've ever had which does this
||cw
what brand?
steve
toshib
a*
LSD`
buy one with LED backlighting then :P
||cw
huhg
toshiba are supposed to be decent
steve
yep, i've had toshibas for years... this is the first laptop i've ever had which is so badly malfunctioning
I can only conclude that they are throwing crap into them to keep the price down :(
||cw
or you are in the middle of a bad batch
it happens, and I doubt most people even notice
Cyber_Akuma
Is there anywhere I can lookup bookmarks/comparisins on how well or bad a drive setup would perform vs another? like two 7200rpm drives in a raid0 vs a ssd or whatever? I have never used a raid or ssd drive
steve
well it's been repaired since lsat june, they just gave me a brand new machine and it's just as bad
||cw
but it's the kind of thing that once you do notice, you can't see past it
steve
had about 1 new screen per month
n17ikh
Cyber_Akuma: http://www.google.com/search?q=hard%20drive%20benchmarks
Cyber_Akuma
ive tried googling it before
||cw
Cyber_Akuma: tomshardware and anandtech both have those kinds of reviews
LSD`
storagereview probably will too
||cw
though modern ssd vs hdd is no comparison if raw overall speed is the goal
Cyber_Akuma
Hmmm, ill try tomshardware, though will I be able to find comparisins of two different setups? like I said for example: raiod0 7200 or 10000 vs a single ssd
||cw
short stroke 10 SAS hd's you might come close to an ssd
Cyber_Akuma
By the way, do you gain much performance increase with a Raid0 ssd setup over a single ssd?
n17ikh
http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-SSDs-RAID-0-A-Case-Study-In-Speed-Take-2/
||cw
Cyber_Akuma: an ssd is basically a raid0 of flash chips with a special controller on it, raid0 them more is more channels and more speed
hdd's suffer from seeks, so raid only helps so much
Cyber_Akuma
Hmm, so raid0 is mostly helpful for getting speed out of magnetic drives then?
||cw
an ssd with 10 flash chips can theoretically access 10 different sectors at the same time
n17ikh
you gain a lot running SSDs in RAID
but, there's not that much point to it
||cw
well, up to 10 anyway
n17ikh
an SSD like the X25-M is already "fast enough" for most purposes
||cw
X25-M is fast enough to push the max read rate of sata300
max real world rate
Cyber_Akuma
X25-M is a SSD model I take it
?
||cw
intel's
read the anandtech article on ssd's
then we'll talk :)
it's very informative
Cyber_Akuma
och, $300 for a 80gig?
Thats a bit too much for me
Gyndawyr
how does one connect a regular surround sound system like that used on a television set to a computer??
gnubien
Gyndawyr: hdmi tv?
Cyber_Akuma
does your sound sytem have digital in or your soundcard optical out?
Gyndawyr
The computer I've got has one Aerial Input, that yellow coaxial connector thingy, HDMI cable, and some other minijack poorts seen here; http://www.adeltek.com/images/products/sd-com-pci8_2.jpg
it also has a single optical out