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IRC Archive / Freenode / #linux / 2010 / February / 03 / 8
reisio
jamesconway: Firefox, but I have them all installed for work
jamesconway: if you want a light browser, you could try Midori
jamesconway: which is webkit-based (like Chrome/ium & Safari), and actually associated with Xfce nown
JoEMoMMa
anyone here successfully deployed a DKIM mail server system?
reisio
jamesconway: not that Chromium isn't a not-too-horrible choice
jamesconway
reisio: How light is your XFCE? (I do not know how you can express this)
I know of Midori
Planck_
Dammit, I just realized one possible reason why Firefox runs like a dog on my home computer and not this laptop: that's nVidia, this is ATI.
reisio
jamesconway: let me see if I can get you some useful output
jamesconway
Planck_: nVidia runs dog-like? I thought ATI had problems.
Planck_
I thought it would be the other way around too.
But for some pages, this wimpy laptop renders pages at least 5x faster.
jamesconway
If I use dwm, what do I use for a file manager/browser?
reisio
jamesconway: anything you want
jamesconway: same goes for "if I use ANYTHING"
jamesconway
reisio: What do you use?
reisio
but you will keep a more efficient system if you don't double up on GTK+ apps and KDE (Qt) apps and X apps
I use Xfce mostly, but if I weren't lazy I think I'd use dwm or another tiling window manager
res
the only gtk app i use is firefox and im looking to get rid of this sh*t too
reisio
and mainly GTK+ apps
res
i dont use qt at all
reisio
res: what's that light browser...
has a cute name
res
reisio: uzbl and vimprobable
reisio
uzbl yeah
res
reisio: but uzbl takes lotsa time, altho i want to use it instead of vimperator
jamesconway
Do I not need a file browser? Am I supposed to just use the command line?
reisio
res: yeah, investments :p
res
jamesconway: cli is just faster man
reisio
it really is
jamesconway
Can somebody recommend which filesystem I should use? If I am going to be using the mainline kernel, some of the new ones will be available. I do not have any important data but I will not be helpful on a developers outlook debugging filesystems in development.
reisio
not that file managers aren't occasionally useful
jamesconway
cli it is.
res
jamesconway: and much more extandable then clicking around
DixitDominus
vimprobable?
res
DixitDominus: its like uzbl/vimperator
heftig
uzbl depends on gtk
reisio
jamesconway: so web browsing.. that's it? Really?
DixitDominus
vimperator owns, now whenever I am using a regurar browser I start typing vim commands then I realized don't have vimperator :D
res
they both also depend on gtk but muuuch faster than ff
jamesconway
reisio: Yes. The occasional torrent and movie watching too. I might avoid Flash.
What do you recommend for a movie player? MPlayer, VLC?
reisio
jamesconway: mplayer
jamesconway: maybe you should try one of these live images: http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/
res
jamesconway: should use ext4
jamesconway
I usually sit around on my computer, trying to program things. I recently realized I keep writing the same programs over and over. I have decided to limit my computer use. I grew tired of just sitting here. I find myself drawing with the drag and drop rubber band selector on my desktop.
reisio
no, not ext4 :p
res
jamesconway: reiser for var
reisio
jamesconway: hahahah
jamesconway
res: Do I really need a separate filesystem for var? I typically make everything one big ext3 partition with no swap.
reisio
you can get real speed increases by making separate partitions with reiser
the benefit being not putting your important personal data on reiser :p
res
jamesconway: reiser is much faster than ext for small files
reisio
jamesconway: but I think you should burn a copy of http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ and try it now :p (or use a usb stick)
Foriskak
jamesconway: it's helpful if you have stuff in var that can consume all your free space and make logging in difficult/other stuff to fail
jamesconway
reisio: I am torrenting it right now. I have a USB stick.
Foriskak
jamesconway: like logs/a DB/mail/etc.
reisio
I think it's probably as close to what you're after as you're going to get prepackaged
jamesconway
Foriskak: I am not interested in logging at all. Nor mail.
reisio
and eerily close to what you're after regardless
jamesconway
reisio: Is it fast?
Foriskak
jamesconway: in ext3 there is a reserved % that only root can access that keeps you from getting locked out when / is full, however
reisio
jamesconway: it should be quite fast, yes
jamesconway
Foriskak: mkfs.ext3 -m 0
reisio
jamesconway: the whole idea of Chromium OS is to boot up Chromium the browser immediately
which is, if I'm not mistaken, what you're most after
Foriskak
jamesconway: another reason to make a separate /var is to put a FS more suited for what happens there than the / FS
DixitDominus
still looking
jamesconway
Foriskak: And reiserfs is more suited for /var?
Foriskak
jamesconway: depends...are you running a mail server? hell yes. DB? maybe not
reisio
reiser is more suited for filesystems with unimportant data that you want to be quick
jamesconway
Should I have a separate /boot partition? After the initial installation, I will never want to modify anything on it again.
Cymage
its bad enough that google knows everything i search for. i certainly dont want them tracking everything else i do on my box
jamesconway
Foriskak: I do not plan on running a database nor a mail server. I plan on running a web browsing desktop.
Foriskak
jamesconway: I think boot has to be outside the LVM (grub can't access I think), so yes?
Or am I outdated?
reisio
Cymage: I sort of doubt the Chromium code has any tracking software included
Cymage: the Chrome code for sure will :p
Foriskak
jamesconway: then no...no point
jamesconway
reisio: Can I test the nouveau drivers on ChromeOS Zero or is there no need?
reisio
jamesconway: you can if you want
I haven't heard any performance comparisons between the two (binary nvidia vs nouveau)
heftig
jamesconway: separate /boot is nice if / becomesu
Foriskak
I like to put /home in a separate partition so my downloading doesn't fill up the disk and make logs fail or temporary placement of backups to /tmp or whatever to fail
reisio
I don't think I'd bother unless the binary drivers didn't work
you bought a proprietary hardware device, after all
res
separate boot is needed for grub <2 and encrypted/lvm /
heftig
or any other fancy stuff grub can't boot from
Foriskak
yeah
jamesconway
reisio: What drivers are used by default on Chrome OS Zero?
VESA?
reisio
jamesconway: not sure, try it and see
Frederick
folks does anyone here has expertise with dokuwiki? Dokuwiki channel is dead and I lost an admin password I need in a hurry.
jamesconway
Would it be wise to install and run my web browser into a ramdisk? I realize this would require it be copied every time.
reisio
Frederick: can probably reset via phpmyadmin
Frederick
reisio: I have acess to the files the wiki is on a shell but I followed the procedure and it does not seems to work
reisio
Frederick: http://www.dokuwiki.org/faq:forgotten_password
that procedure?
meh... guys isn't there a new video editor on the scene?
feel like I'm forgetting one
Frederick
reisio the damm wiki doesnt mail me the passwords
reisio
Frederick: you can probably backup the data you added/changed and do a reinstall, then restore
jamesconway
reisio: Developed by VLC?
Foriskak
I kind of want to run my DB in a ramdisk
reisio
jamesconway: what?
jamesconway
reisio: VLC is developing a new video editor.
reisio
oh?
I don't think so, but
(Action) shrugs
Foriskak
Like put /var/lib/mysql on there - this is for read only DB's of course
jamesconway
http://lifehacker.com/5432946/vlc-team-working-on-a-cross+platform-video-editor
http://vlmc.org/
reisio
yeah doesn't look right, but that's interesting
RingtailedFox
alright!
jamesconway
reisio: I am going to boot into Chrome OS Zero.
RingtailedFox
(Action) wishes LiVES was also available for windows :P
votz
do downloaded files in linux have any metadata associated with them about where they were downloaded from?
i.e. wget *url* -O - | tee foo.html | *other stuff *
reisio
pitivi, that was it
votz
can I get the original *url* back from the saved foo.html file?
reisio
jamesconway: I think you'll like it
sepult
votz: if it's html yes
votz: it's in the header
sepult
votz: if it's another file type, it maybe that you have to grab the bitmaps of the underlying fs
votz
sepult: if its any file, ignoring html
might be mp3, might be an image, might be whatever
sepult
i think that would be app or even fs specific
votz
grab the bitmaps of the filesystem? could you elucidate
sepult
so the app you download with, or the fs which allocates for the downloaded files could or could not put some extra
data in there
don't bet on it
votz
ya
the files were saved with wget piped to tee
sepult
heh
jamesconway
reisio: That sucked. I do not know how to configure my network. It is not DHCP.
And it was terribly slow. As if something were wrong.
reisio
ah, maybe something were wrong, then :p
but you could have problems like that with anything
you need to know how to configure your network :p
jamesconway
reisio: I do. I couldn't open a terminal.
reisio
I'm sure there's a way :p
jamesconway: you got past the login screen, though, right?
jamesconway
reisio: Yes. I just read I was supposed to press Control+Alt+T.
reisio
ah
oh-ho... http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/wiki/doku.php?id=faq#it_runs_really_slowly_isn_t_this_supposed_to_be_super_fast
I guess Google is only going to bother making it fast for the hardware they plan to ship it with
ohwell
jamesconway
reisio: Any other recommendations?
reisio
jamesconway: you can get what you want from any distro
just a matter of configuration
mordy
anyone here use quagga?
reisio
jamesconway: if you want to cut back on bloat without _manually_ compiling things a la LFS, you could try Gentoo
jamesconway
What is needed for a base install? kernel, bootlaoder, glibc,shell, what else?
reisio
mordy: anyone questions ftl :p
mordy
reisio: well it's not like it's such a popular package
reisio
jamesconway: think you might be a little more gung ho about this than you really want to be :)
jamesconway: package managers cover dependencies
if your goal is to waste less time on your computer, that is :p
if you want to throw away hundreds of hours tinkering... heh
jamesconway
reisio: package managers also have dependencies. http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/
haha I would rather not throw away hundreds of hours.
reisio
indeed they do
CIDR
Is there anyway to get rpcbind and nfs to bind to an interface or ip?
reisio
but without a package manager you're going to spend a lot of time on things
there's a real trade off
jamesconway
Will I notice any difference in speed by switching to a 64 bit operating system? (Ignore the ability to address more RAM. I only have 2GB)
frumple
probably not
mordy
ok.. so no 'anyone' questions.. what does this mean?
2010/02/03 04:34:12 RIP: rip_read: cannot find interface for packet from 10.0.0.246 port 520
heftig
probably not, unless you do cpu-intensive tasks like rendering
mosno
jamesconway, it depends on the application
reisio
jamesconway: _you_ won't _notice_ it, but there will be one
mordy
frumple: as if i didn't google that already
reisio
actually I guess if you switch from 32-bit Windows to 64-bit Linux you will notice a difference, but it will be more because of the OS and less because of the arch the software was built for
frumple
first article seems to have a description of the problem
and a fix
objorn
how do you concatenate pdf files?
[R]
objorn: gs can do it
objorn
thank you [R]
any other programs?
frumple
so your question of "what does this mean", if you had actually read the first result, should have read something like "I'm having a problem with OpenVPN"
[R]
what possible reason could you need to use something else?
frumple
or whatever you're actually doing :p
jtaby
Hey, does swapcontext return when the function it's calling is finished executing?
mordy
frumple: well i'd know what it meant if the post on the forum was actually relevant
however of course those boxes havd IP connectivity
frumple
well most of these articles refer to the RIP routing protocol
mordy
frumple: wel of course it's rip
i'm trying to set it up
frumple
what are you doing with rip :p
mordy
just playing around, have a few networks
objorn
[R]: gs worked just fine, thanks again
mordy
i'm using quagga here on this linux box, and the other box is bsd running routed
honestly i'm probably not setting up something correctly, but still
disappearedng
hey how do I run harddisk consistency
reisio
do what?
disappearedng
I mean i think I have a bad node
Random832
bad node?