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simula_
or it might be another one
redeeman
i hope that installs to /opt - / doesn't have enough space for that
simula_
heh, nopes
they ate up all my root.. i'm down to like 10megs :)
i'll install everything i cook up to opt though
Xisdibik
dmj7261: 47:72:61:76:69:74:79:20:69:73:20:61:62:6f:75:74:20:74:68:65:20:61:70:70:6c:65:20:66:61:6c:6c:69:6e:67:20:66:72:6f:6d:20:74:68:65:20:74:72:65:65:2e
dmj7261
?
Xisdibik
I wrote you something ;)
dmj7261
Your IPv8 address?
Xisdibik
nop
dmj7261
hehe
Xisdibik
;)
dmj7261
I've written lots of things in hex, but I'd rather not draw pictures in it.
tank-man
AakashPatel
dmj7261: ivp8?
IPv8*?
Does that even exist yet? lol
dmj7261
a joke...we're still not fully on IPv6
no it doesn't
AakashPatel
Yeah haah
dmj7261
(but it was too long to be IPv6
hmmm...could have vanity IP addresses, just like license plates.
AakashPatel
Yeah, tahts what i was wondering lol
dmj7261
A corporation might choose something like:
47:6f:6f:67:6c:65:3a:20:44:6f:20:4e:6f:20:45:76:69:6c:2e
or
4d:61:65:6d:6f:3a:20:4c:61:73:65:72:20:50:65:6e:67:75:69:6e:73:2e
or even
41:70:70:6c:65:3a:20:53:68:69:6e:79:20:53:68:69:74:2e
zash
dmj7261: lol
dmj7261
shiny
JoshTriplett1
Hi. I report and triage a lot of bugs in the Maemo bugzilla, and I wondered if I might request "canconfirm" or "editbugs" permission, so that I could more easily help with triage rather than just noting a necessary status change so someone else can make it. What procedure exists for requesting such permissions?
DocScrutinizer
dmj7261: .--. .-.. . .- ... . ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... -. --- -. ... . -. ... . ...-.-
JoshTriplett1
DocScrutinizer: What nonsense? ;)
dmj7261
hehe
GeneralAntilles
JoshTriplett1, we don't really have a strong formal process for it.
But talk to Andre about it.
JoshTriplett1
(Action) fixes his nick.
JoshTriplett
Must have gotten disconnected at some point. :)
GeneralAntilles
I'll ping him tomorrow if I remember.
JoshTriplett
GeneralAntilles: Thanks!
jebba900
anyone tried video plugin with pidgin?
GeneralAntilles
JoshTriplett, he's usually on here under andre__
JoshTriplett, it's about 5 AM there, though. ;)
jebba900
JoshTriplett, also see #maemo-bugs and there is a bug day on the 15th, see the wiki
JoshTriplett
jebba900: Yeah, I saw that on Planet.
microlith
woohoo, newegg charge for my N900
DocScrutinizer51
microlith, gimme your account info. I'm happy to charge you as well if you enjoy it so much :-P
Xisdibik
(Action) charges microlith's card aswell
luke-jr
lol
Vratha
hi
just got Nokia Messaging setup for my email today
i wonder how much they plan to charge for that when it goes live
if i have to, i'll just setup my home system to text message me when a new email arrives
JoshTriplett
Vratha: I feel certain that won't prove necessary. :)
Vratha
you think it's going to remain a free service/
JoshTriplett
Vratha: Most likely, but even if it doesn't I feel certain that Maemo will support other mechanisms for achieving the same thing.
Vratha
maybe. i'm waiting to see inbox search and "smart folders"
Arkenoi
btw i do not see imap folders in gmail with nokia messaging and duplicate sent and draft folders instead :-( is it known bug?
JoshTriplett
Arkenoi: The duplicate sent and drafts folders represents one of the most requested missing features.
povbot
Bug 2557: Keep Sent and Drafts on IMAP server
JoshTriplett
Arkenoi: I don't know what you mean by the other issue.
Possibly an issue with IMAP subscriptions; I think Modest (the email client) only shows subscribed folders.
Arkenoi
JoshTriplett, it is not local folders and server folders - it is two copies of server folders
JoshTriplett
Arkenoi: Oh. That sounds like a different issue, then.
Arkenoi: I don't know the problem there, sorry.
Arkenoi: Possibly a known issue, possibly not. I'd suggest doing a quick search on bugzilla to see if you see the bug, and if not you should report it.
Arkenoi
one has "globe" icon and one has regular one, but the contents are the same - i see server-side messages that were not sent via nokia messaging in both
and there are no subscription options, at least none i could find
microlith
oooh
tracking number even
friday!
JoshTriplett
microlith: :)
microlith: I know that feeling. :)
Arkenoi: Modest doesn't have any visible subscription options; it just hides any folder you haven't subscribed to.
Arkenoi: But in any case, the behavior you described definitely sounds like a bug.
microlith
I can retire this ancient A1200
JoshTriplett
Arkenoi: You should report it.
timperi
amiga 1200?
microlith
Motorola
JoshTriplett
microlith: Heh. I can beat that: this replaces my Nokia 3120b. :)
timperi
;)
microlith
timperi: you must have big pockets :)
timperi
it's the nonfunctioning microphone that bothers me really
ersin
hey does anyone know why hard vfp is disabled in scratchbox?
so silly that the n8x0 has a vfp unit and that it doesn't get used
i understand that a lot of apps are compiled w/ thumb to make them smaller
but there are still plenty that use softfp
whoa looks like i disconnected
did anyone get my question?
JoshTriplett
ersin: Netsplit; not a problem on your end. :)(
Er, :)
DocScrutinizer51
yep
JoshTriplett
And yes, your question went to the channel before the netsplit.
ersin
O_O
netsplit?
is that an ice cream?
JoshTriplett
Heh.
DocScrutinizer51
freenode barfed
ersin
yikes
JoshTriplett
ersin: IRC means "internet relay chat"; the "relay" part means multiple servers pass messages back and forth.
ersin: Freenode, like most large IRC networks, has many servers.
jebba900
ok so the liq* apps are fantastic
ersin
gotcha
JoshTriplett
ersin: The connection between two of them got broken, and everyone on the wrong side saw everyone else disconnect. :)
ersin
hahah
that's kind of funny when you put it that way
like mass online schadefreude
luke-jr
FreeNode should setup redundancy -.-
JoshTriplett
ersin: You can see that in the quit messages; they all say "brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net". Means brown.freenode.net split off.
luke-jr: *More* redundancy, apparently. ;)
ersin
ah, thank you joshtriplett
luke-jr
JoshTriplett: afaik, FreeNode only uses a single connection between any two servers
ersin
so does anyone know about the vfp unit?
luke-jr
vfp is not a unit
ersin
instruction
?
but the n800 has support for it built in, no?
yet scratchbox gcc only supports emulated vfp
Scummer
or irc.freenode.net split off.. depending on what side you're on :)
ersin
or "softfp"
DocScrutinizer51
luke-jr, if that's been a oopsie on simmons.freenode.net, it's hard to setup redundancy for it's users
derf
ersin: Assume anyting luke-jr tells you is wrong.
vfp is a unit.
ersin
derf: lmao ok
that's what i thought...
luke-jr
derf: no u
Scummer: irc.freenode.net is not a server
Scummer
what ?
*** Current server: irc.freenode.net 6667
i disagree
ersin
dr_cain: pluto is not a planet
Scummer: irc.freenode.net is a round-robin
Scummer
hmm...
derf
ersin: And yes, the N800 is ARM11, which has vfp.
ersin
right
so then why doesn't scratchbox support the hardware vfp by default?
Scummer
ok.. ok.. a dig does show multiple ip's for chat.freenode.net which is the cname for irc
DocScrutinizer51
irc.freenode.net is the whole infrastructure
derf
"softfp" does not actually mean software-emulated floating point.
It's just specifying the ABI.
luke-jr
ersin: are you actually asking why an emulator is emulating?
ersin
what does it mean then? i do remember from compiling 770 kernels (which don't have vfp) that there is a kernel module for fp emulation
derf
ersin: 22:30:14 < derf> It's just specifying the ABI.
DocScrutinizer51
so the statement "for simmons.fn.net the irc.fn.net split off" is absolutely correct
ersin
luke-jr: um...yes, in a sense...why is it emulating when there's no need for it
derf: sorry i didn't see that
luke-jr
ersin: an x86 CPU is not going to support vfp, so ... there is a need for it
ersin
luke-jr: excuse me...? i'm talking about the n800
luke-jr
scratchbox *on* a N800?
ersin
no
that's not how cross compiling works...
you don't need a pc with vfp support to have a cross compiler that supports vfp
luke-jr
so why do you think this cross-compiler isn't making binaries that use vfp?
ersin
luke-jr: ...are you trolling?
luke-jr
no
ersin
luke-jr: that's the whole reason i came here, to ask if anyone knew why the compiler was doing that
luke-jr
what makes you think the compiler is doing that?
ersin
are you familiar with scratchbox?
because it only supports -mfloat-abi=softfp
luke-jr
nope, never touched it with a 10 foot pole
that's an ABI
ersin
whereas other arm cross compilers support -mfloat-abi=hard
yes...yes it is
luke-jr
afaik softfp ABI can use vfp
derf
ersin: -mfloat-abi is _just_ the ABI.
ersin
derf: it seems fishy then that other places on the internet report using -mfloat-abi=hard
i mean, i guess my question then is if anyone knows what the difference is
between "softfp" abi and "hard" abi
derf
"Specifying `soft' causes GCC to generate output containing library calls for floating-point operations. `softfp' allows the generation of code using hardware floating-point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions. `hard' allows generation of floating-point instructions and uses FPU-specific calling conventions."
SpeedEvil
does the n900 have hardwarefpu?
derf
(or man gcc)
ersin
derf: thank you for that gem
DocScrutinizer51
I guess hard is using direct machine opcodes while soft uses the lib
ersin
so then essentially hard *is* more optimized
luke-jr
SpeedEvil: that's what vfp is...
derf
And note, for cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7, the default flags are
ersin
so why wouldn't diablo scratchbox use hard...?
derf
*cc1:
-march=armv7a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=vfp %{.S:-mfpu=neon} -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls %(old_cc1)
luke-jr
ersin: most likely the reason it won't let you do ABI hard is because ScratchBox is specifically for targetting Maemo
and Maemo uses softfp
and the two ABIs are not compatible
ali1234
actually they are compatible on new eabi according to what i read
ersin
luke-jr: yes, obviously, but i'm saying why isn't the *whole thing* in hard???
ali1234
but does diablo use new eabi? i think not
luke-jr
ersin: OS2008 still supports 770 to some degree, perhaps?
ersin
hmm good point
alright then, i'll settle for softfp for now
luke-jr
the real question I have now is why my Gentoo on N810 is using softfp ;)
ali1234
ersin
but mark my words, one day fremantle will run on the n800 in all hard vfp
ali1234
the short answer is a8 has vfp but it has neon too, and neon is better
ersin
luke-jr: hah, of all distros to run unoptimized lol
ali1234: i didn't think that n800 uses a8 cortex?