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hrw
who knows will pr1.2 get released at all
javispedro
will be the same when pr1.2+1 comes, etc.
hrw
who knows? maybe they will bump soname of libs this time?
javispedro
that wouldn't help
hrw
so libhildon1 in 1.2, libhildon2 in 1.3 etc
anyway it just shows how nokia care about devs
javispedro
the issue here is that if we built packages in the pr1.2 sdk they have a libhildon2 dep, if we build packages in the 1.0 sdk they have a libhildon1 dep
whatever they use pr1.2 or pr1.0 features
hrw
implement shlibssymbols
javispedro
s/wherever
DocScrutinizer
hrw: (sonames) let's pray
Jaffa
hrw: Agreed
javispedro
hrw: requires newer debhelper :(
hrw
javispedro: dh7 is in repos
and yes, I know that sh*tbox can override some parts but that can be workarounded with magic sh*tbox env vars
javispedro
(Action) thinks about upgrading the debian toolchain in a pr and shudders
btw (ot) does rpm implement something akin to dpkg's .symbol files?
hrw
no idea
I know one thing - I need to collect all my sd/microsd/etc cards cause I lost track
godrik
Hi guys, I got a question about MeamoMapper and GPS on the N810. I can not get a fix at all unless I start Nokia's Map application which get a fix immediately. Is there a way to "fix" MaemoMapper ? Or an easier way of getting a fix than using Nokia's Map ?
_berto_
<hrw> implement shlibssymbols
that would be the solution
hrw
_berto_: question is: is it worth time?
_berto_
http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps
I think it is, there are lots of compatibility problems in debian because of that
you cannot install a package from a more recent distribution in cases where you should be able
javispedro
note that I tried to create a package with .symbols files using the base maemo toolchain, and you can.
noobmonk3y
(Action) lost in the semi's :(
javispedro
the issue is that the amount of verbosity with the current outdated debhelpers is huge
_berto_
but does it work?
X-Fade
We could do tests with: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze_1.0.3_i386.deb
javispedro
you can't use dh_shlibdeps and have to bring your own.
if you call that working ... :D
X-Fade
This is a newer devkit, but we need to make sure that is not breaking more things than it fixes.
_berto_
what do you mean by 'bring your own' ?
javispedro
reimplement it or grab the newer debian's version and put it in the packaging
_berto_
I can prepare a list of the symbols introduced in each libhildon release, if that helps
javispedro
_berto_: even if they're not used, we could start doing that NOW.
noobmonk3y
MohammadAG, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/Scaling_available_frequencies - is that the one to list from?
andrewfblack
(Action) is running Open Office, and Inkscape on his N900....Well ok I'm running it on my work PC but the files are stored on the N900 lol
javispedro
X-Fade: interesting. seems to ship updated dh_shlibdeps (unlike the lenny devkit :P )
X-Fade
javispedro: Yes it does.
javispedro
(Action) wonders if that will be the default for harmattan
X-Fade
javispedro: Quite possible. The tools will be updated to more recent versions at least.
MohammadAG
noobmonk3y, cat it, does it give you four/five values?
noobmonk3y
yeah
MohammadAG
if yes, highest (first) is max, lowest (last) is min
noobmonk3y
just splitting them down now and will add them
yup
MohammadAG
of course divide by 1000 to make it MHz instead of Hz
javispedro
anyway, does anyone consider getting hildon .debs rebuilt with appropriate symbol times BEFORE pr1.2 (and at least before pr1.3) possible? I have my own doubts :P
s/times/files
X-Fade
javispedro: On the builder we can install an additional package for instance.
javispedro: Containing symbols.
javispedro
heh, ugly but would work :P
X-Fade
Or change the sdk locally.
javispedro
symbol files go iirc to /var/lib/dpkg/info/libfoo-dev.symbols (reason I think an external "libfoo-dev-symbols" package would be ugly)
see your local debian install for samples
X-Fade
But would keep the original sdk in place.
Not really feeling a lot for maintaining an sdk :)
godrik
Hi guys, I got a question about MeamoMapper and GPS on the N810. I can not get a fix at all unless I start Nokia's Map application which get a fix immediately. Is there a way to "fix" MaemoMapper ? Or an easier way of getting a fix than using Nokia's Map ?
javispedro
the symbol files also need maintaining... :P hopefully, less.
lcuk
i want to know how you have gps on n810 that gets a fix immediately
X-Fade, would any sdk modifications be forward thinking
godrik
lcuk: if I start Nokia's Map while outside, I got a fix under a minute
reproducibility: 100%
lcuk
so that when we come round to 1.3 for instance we could use same principle
javispedro
or harmattan, with the community maintained hildon
lcuk
or is this a sticking plaster specifically for 1.2
X-Fade
lcuk: Ideally the sdk people would fix it ;)
lcuk
yes
(Action) nods sagely
X-Fade
But with that symbol package we could do it ourselves.
javispedro
yeah.
andrewfblack
javispedro
liking it so far.
X-Fade
We now install the optify package after rootstrap extraction too.
lcuk
andrewfblack, your blog post fails when i click from planet
X-Fade
So in that step we can add the symbols.
javispedro
of course the fact that we align more with debian again is a nice plus :)
andrewfblack
refresh screen should work then
X-Fade
The only tricky part is the devkit.
lcuk
X-Fade, optify should theoretically be a noop on scratchbox
X-Fade
lcuk: No, package optify thingie.
lcuk
maemo-optify-runonce
i know
X-Fade
no
lcuk
ahh different one
andrewfblack
wow I've hit 7 thumb downs now on each my blog posts now
lcuk
andrewfblack, do they all fail to show when you click them
like it does for me
javispedro
hm... mailing list bouncing my message :S
X-Fade
lcuk: maemo-optify in extras-devel.
lcuk
:O
X-Fade
javispedro: and it should ;)
andrewfblack
lcuk: I think its my new theme they used not to but this week they started failing some
javispedro
aw, sorry, wrong From: address :(
lcuk
andrewfblack, yeah, your theme this week has been quite gloomy :p
andrewfblack
lcuk: been a gloomy week for me
lcuk
:(
is that why the thumbs down
andrewfblack
lcuk: me being gloomy or bug in me theme?
I think because I've been gloomy
lcuk
a bit of both i think
you need to fix external links into your site though if you want your message
noobmonk3y
(Action) prods lcuk
javispedro
sigh. The only reason tmoers want more mods is to ban posters that lie to them about release date of pr1.2 :P
DocScrutinizer
muhaha
w00t_
MohammadAG: ping
andrewfblack
(Action) needs to write his own wordpress theme
nidO
javispedro: sounds good to me \o/
javispedro
nid0: bah. if the ridiculous pr1.2 thread were to gain a few posts more I would've posted that myself
i'm sure the original grandposter of the "pr1.2 released" thread is now laughing from the comfort of his couch
andrewfblack
lcuk: there a little less gloomy looking now
wow ranked up 2 more thumb downs
E0x
any way tool for get battery status in number , i was trying to get /proc/apci/battery/BAT0/info
but not luck
asa
hello
any GSOC mentor here?
rm_you
is maemo/meego doing GSOC?
Stskeeps
yes
rm_you
cool
BTW, sup Stskeeps
:)
Stskeeps
not much
rm_you
hows work?
Stskeeps
good
rm_you
lol
last time you said "frustrating" so i guess things are looking up? :)
Stskeeps
yeah - i am, working for maemo.org is cool :)
basil
hi, i upgraded my scratchbox to 1.2, now my progs don't work for the n900, how can i downgrade my scratchbox?
MohammadAG
basil, afaik you can't
unless you install the old packages manually
basil
apt-get install libqt-maemo5?
slonopotamus
Shapeshifter
basil: :o
basil: PM
basil
PM? Package Manager?
Shapeshifter
basil: private message ;)
I queried you.
basil
i'm new to irc, what means to query?
embarrasing, i know
Shapeshifter
basil: I think you can't downgrade the SDK, you'de need to remove it and reinstall the old one. Though it might be better to find out what the actualy problem is with your progs because PR 1.2 will be out some time in the future.
Scelt
PR 1.2 out?!?
C-S-B-N900
when is pr1.2?
should be soon
javispedro
PR1.2 is out, quickly go post that on TMO!
_berto_
we're waiting for the final release of duke nukem forever, it'll be one of the highlights in PR1.2
t-tan
hurray!! let's start a new thread on TMO! :-D
javispedro
PR1.2 is so last week. Can we find another story already?
MohammadAG
MeeGo UI on the N900
Stskeeps
you mean a xterm?
Scelt
PR1.2 OUTOUTUTTVITTU?
MohammadAG
Stskeeps, no a UI! (was just answering javispedro's request :P)
javispedro
MohammadAG: then call it propertly! "Handset UX"
;P
slonopotamus
(Action) yawns
why care?
MohammadAG
javispedro, off to TMO then
:P
w00t_
anyone know whether krk969 (author of showtime for maemo) comes on IRC?
javispedro
~seen krk969
t-tan
I want online speech recognition and translation in PR2.0
infobot
javispedro: i haven't seen 'krk969'
w00t_
javispedro: he might use another nick, that's just his TMO user
(Action) doesn't know
:/
javispedro
bonus points since both of the threads where in active topics a few minutes ago
w00t_
MohammadAG: did you have any luck btw?
if not I'll give it a crack in a bit
MohammadAG
w00t_, yeah, I postponed test, so I guess that's good luck
(Action) fires up scratchbox
w00t_
haha
when is it now?
MohammadAG
sat :P
(Action) goes to laptop
VDVsx
(Action) wonders why the channel is so quite today 0.o something happened for sure :D
Stskeeps
dunno :P
hrw
users got tired of waiting for pr1.2 and mass sold their n900s
VDVsx
ah, the meego forum, is everybody posting there ? :D
Shapeshifter
oh dear, they made a forum
VDVsx
tmo 2.0 :D
DocScrutinizer
hrw: any pointers to good cheap sells?
t-tan
lots of overclocked devices melted. the remaining healthy ones are sold on ebay for very high prices
Shapeshifter
VDVsx: btw, do you know how many gsoc applications maemo got up til now?
mikhas
I just read "users got hired for waiting for pr1.2 and mass soldered their n900s" - perhaps the pizza was too spicey, after all ...
DocScrutinizer
rotfl
tell me where from you got these spices
VDVsx
Shapeshifter, not sure, didn't checked in the last two days
DocScrutinizer
err, 'spices'
Shapeshifter
VDVsx: when you last checked, how many were there?
mikhas
thoses 'spices' supposedly came from the UAE ...
DocScrutinizer
gnhnhnhnhn
mikhas
hmph, too late for a "1st post!" already
DocScrutinizer
(Action) got hungry for a good pizza now
petteri
http://forum.meego.com
venkat
hi all, im planning to submit a gsoc app for creating a remote app for maemo, which is similar to "
using dacp , to control itunes