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flan_suse
"The ability to change the desktop background is unproductive and ineffecient, and it creates overhead. This is a beneficial decision."
velcroshooz
so switch to a distro that doesnt make those choices for you - run gentoo or arch, and start with a bare shell and work your way up
your better off finding where you fit then single handedly trying to change the direction of a business backed distro
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: as impolite as it might sound: either you put work in it or you eat what you get served. For the rest you pay.
flan_suse
velcroshooz, where did I single handedly try to change the direction of any distro?
bitshuffler, or find a workaround, which I did. I even said it was worth it (removing pulse to fix the stuttering/crackling problems).
velcroshooz
flan_suse, you dont want pulseaudio included, and there is not just a checkbox thats going to enable you to switch
so run a distro that doesnt include it by default. easy.
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: no, that isn't "ludicrous" but simply a free project your aren't paying a single cent for moving on.
flan_suse
Expressing a grievance does not equate an attempt to force a change.
chris062689
Allright, booting up the Live CD, this is where it gets interesting :D
bitshuffler_
well, we talk again if you put any work in said project
flan_suse
bitshuffler that almost implies, in that argument, that donators should have voting rights, unless they already so.
bitshuffler_
like thise "I FOR KDE3!!!!!" morons
flan_suse
*already so
bitshuffler_
*those
flan_suse
*already do
bitshuffler_
*fork ...
flan_suse
Oh, my dreaded ring finger.
bitshuffler_
(Action) needs to ring fingers for screwing the typing
;D ;P
chris062689
I didn't know you wore your ring on your middle finger.
:D
anyway, installing r8168
flan_suse
Anyways, I'm out.
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: how did I say that donators have voting rights for anything ?
chris062689
no wait flan, :(
flan_suse
"Not paying a single cent" for something.
chris062689
I still need this problem resolved.
Otherwise I won't be able to switch to openSUSE.
flan_suse
Donators do "pay cents" but do they get voting rights on future decisions?
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: well, why should anyone who does it in his free time bother with what you want?
flan_suse
And like I said, which you two seemed to misread, expressing a grievance is not the same as selfishly forcing change.
chris062689
nothing provides ksym 1118335a needed by [r8168 package]
So I need to grab the ksym package?
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: now you lost me on english - prolly my bad
chris062689: use osc to build it locally
chris062689
osc?
!osc
SUSEhelp
osc is a command-line client for building in the openSUSE Build Service: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/CLI
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, how many people do you know who never say things that are on there mind, such as things that bug them or annoy them?
bitshuffler_
chris062689: add the "openSUSE:Tools" repo, install "osc", then ask me again
chris062689
I can't bitshuffler!
No ethernet, remember?
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, probably no one, because that's what humans do. But just because I'm doing that, it doesn't mean I'm trying to manipulate anyone, or force anyone to do my bidding.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: why?
chris062689
I have absolutely no ethernet connection.
aside from this netbook here
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, I felt that you and velcroshooz might have been looking too deeply into what I was simply say off the cuff.
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: well, why should those matter since they don't contribute in anyway anyways?
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, because I have a keyboard, an internet connection, and people who are chatting in a public channel.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: what was the name of the iso you installed?
chris062689
it's not installed, running it on the live CD
it was...
openSUSE-KDE-LiveCD-Build0577-x86_64.iso
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: right, and that's why other people should care about you, ivnvest their free time to make you happy and so on? I humbly disagree.
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, you misread my words again.
chris062689
ksym is apparently a dependency, so what package is that?
Let me google "ksym opensuse 11.3 rpm"
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, it's like if someone makes a comment about how he hates living in a crowded city, and someone tells him to "Move somewhere else!", he won't because he has a job in the city.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: sry, if the driver from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/nic/openSUSE_Factory/ doesn't work for you then PLEASE file a bugreport and CC me.
!bugreport @ chris062689
SUSEhelp
chris062689: How to submit a bug report: http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_a_Bug -- the bugzilla is at http://bugzilla.novell.com
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, it's just something to express, to be taken for what it is. He's not saying "I think everyone should move out of the city so it's not so crowded anymore!"
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: well, you just have to realize that most of the ppl do it in their free time so they aren't obliged to you or anyone else.
chris062689
bitshuffler_ I think I can get it to work, I just need to install a dependency.
How can I install the ksym dependency?
bitshuffler_
chris062689: you can take the realtek driver and build it locally
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, I'm saying I had nightmares with pulseaudio, on multiple computers (and others have similar stories), but I'm just an end-user, not a developer. I never said "This, this, and this are the things that must be done in the next release."
chris062689
but that requires even more dependencies.
Why can't I simply just grab the ksym?
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, I have repeated over and over, and made it clear that I don't expect people to do anything for me. And have given examples to illustrate that.
snadge
will suse 12 be dropping support for xen or not?
bitshuffler_
chris062689: install kernel-$flavor-devel and then build the thing locally
chris062689
Which package is that though? I have no idea what "flavor" I'm running, you mean the x86_64?
bitshuffler_
flan_suse: yeah well, then stop using PA or talk to upstream.
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, I did the former: Not using PA. :)
snadge
i know RH6 will no longer provide xen dom0 support.. just wondering if suse is going to do the same
bitshuffler_
chris062689: "uname -r"
chris062689
2.6.34-rc5-6-desktop
flan_suse
chris062689, there's a package called "kernel-syms" but I believe you only need it when compiling something from source.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: so $flavor = desktop
chris062689
I remember when I attempted to compile for Ubuntu I ran into dozens upon dozens of dependencies.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: kernel-desktop-devel
chris062689
so search for kernel-desktop-devel?
ok, any specific version?
bitshuffler_
no, simply install it.
flan_suse
chris062689, that's the exact name of the package.
bitshuffler_, there's no way for him to install the 8168 rpm package you made?
chris062689
That would be amazing :O
bitshuffler_
he asid earlier that the current factory snapshot doesn't work for him
chris062689
I don't know if it does or not.
I have a ksym as a dependency.
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, he said something about a dependency.
kernel-syms ?
chris062689
I assume so.
That's what google searches brought me to
I just don't know where to find that package at.
flan_suse
chris062689, it's called "kernel-syms" in the Updates repo.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: Anyways, no offense, but since you don't seem to have much clue about what you are doing why do you intned on installing Factory (development version) instead of just sticking with the latest release = 11.2 ?
chris062689
I have an idea of what I'm doing, I told you already that I'm not familiar with rpm's though.
So I don't know where to go to actually find said packages, I realize there on a repo, I just don't know the path to the mirrors.
flan_suse
chris062689, should be in the included repos.
chris062689, you're using the YaST package manager?
bitshuffler_
chris062689: fine then, simply note that "factory" is the development version which can blow up right in your face at any second ;)
chris062689
yes flan_suse.
But I can't simply install it, because I don't have an ethernet connection!
I have to grab each package manually, download it, transfer it over via USB, then install it manually.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: so perhaps get accustomed with 11.2 (=release) and then, when you got familiar, go for factory.
chris062689
Will this problem probably be resolved for 11.3?
bitshuffler_
e.g. then that whole r8168 werent a probem either.
chris062689
(in time for it's release)
ok.
bitshuffler_
chris062689: if you file a bug?
chris062689: iow: FILE A FECKING BUG please! ;D
chris062689
I'll go ahead and look around opensuse 11.2 some more.
Fine, I'll look into that too :P
Thanks guys.
bitshuffler_
if you wont it will bite you on 11.3 too
...
flan_suse
bitshuffler_, I would ask about my .exe problem, but I'm out.
bitshuffler_
don't ask me about wine, I never use it
Schmitty
how do I install kde on 11.2 via zypper?
Chrysantine
zypper in -t pattern kde
Schmitty
thanx Chrysantine
Chrysantine
(Action) wiggles
mages
hi
andoresu
hi
mages
hi andoresu
andoresu
Is there a way to get gnome music applet on opensuse?
mages
i think it is in yast
yes
andoresu
mages: in yast? where??
mages
in yast or in install software i think
i do not know too
u do not try kde ando
andoresu
mages: I'm running gnome.
mages
hi ok
i have problem too , i want to install opensuse in live cd mode but it require password
what is the password, i even do not enter password in opensuse , live cd do not require password i think
Chrysantine
There is no password on the livecd :p
andoresu
Is there a way to get gnome music applet on opensuse?
Chrysantine
andoresu: What is the applet?
andoresu
Chrysantine: do you know music-applet?
Chrysantine
andoresu: No I don't use GNOME at all, just trying to figure out what it is :)
andoresu
ok
Don't worry. I've just compiled it and it seems to work properly
Chrysantine
andoresu: It says it's superceded by Panflute.
andoresu
yes
watatem
what is the equivalent program on putty in openSUSE?
Chrysantine
watatem: Open a terminal and ssh somewhere?
watatem
Chrysantine: i see thanks, what about serial communication? like hyperterm in windows?
Chrysantine
watatem: minicom
watatem
Chrysantine: thanks, ill try minicom
Chrysantine: zypper in minicom, right?
Chrysantine
watatem: yeah it's a terminal application as well
bitshuffler_
Just to prevent any "THE NOEZ SAX IS THE DEADZ!" whining http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00079.html - bring it to the beloved forums and find someone who fixes the rotten thing.
Chrysantine
Haha.
bitshuffler_
;P ;D
!search sax
SUSEhelp
Matching factoids: sax2;
bitshuffler_
!sax2
SUSEhelp
From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options
bitshuffler_
!sax2 is From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options. If you are interested in keeping it alive from 11..3 on see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00079.html
SUSEhelp
bitshuffler_: Remembering sax2.
bitshuffler_
!sax2
SUSEhelp
From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options. If you are interested in keeping it alive from 11..3 on see
bitshuffler_
yah ;P
Chrysantine
Die die die :D
bitshuffler_
(Action) hugs his nvidia card ;P
andoresu
cya
Chrysantine
bitshuffler_: with the conf.d it should be pretty trivial to hack together a quick ati.conf randomwtf.conf
bitshuffler_: In case the retard autodetection doesn't work :p
bitshuffler_
Chrysantine: hack me together some buntu build root that doesn't take the double time to setup compared to rpm based stuff ;P
Chrysantine
bitshuffler_: Install in a VM ;D
bitshuffler_
Chrysantine: "osc buildinfo security:OpenVAS:STABLE:v2 openvas-libraries xUbuntu_10.04 x86_64 | grep bdep | sort" too much brainfu*k already ;D
Chrysantine
bitshuffler_: VM! ;p
bitshuffler_
Chrysantine: nah, minimizing buntu boot strap on OBS.
Chrysantine
(Action) pats her collection of random VMs for no reason.
bitshuffler_
Chrysantine: the awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjn2xAfOfzo !
Chrysantine: but you have to whatch it till the end ;P
Chrysantine
I am so not going to fall for that again
bitshuffler_
nahmm it's a totally different thing and you'll gonna love it!
Chrysantine
Such transparent lies! :D
bitshuffler_
TEH NOEZ!
Chrysantine: heidi ;P
Chrysantine
I knew it!
bitshuffler_
:D
(Action) struts :D
javier_
JasonWoof: it's now part of the games repository ;)
watatem
is it possible to write linux device driver just with linux-kernel-headers and withouth kernel-source?
in openSUSE that is, because in ubuntu, i can write without the source.
bitshuffler_
then please look into the source and tell us how that works ;P ((as in package name is nothing )
ukwiz
does opensuse have an equivalent to anacron?
bitshuffler_
and anacron is what?
ukwiz
bitshuffler_, cron for machines that are not powered up all the time - on powerup it checks to see if any cron jobs have been missed, and runs them
Chrysantine
cronie+anacron mebbe?
avenir
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