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The_Thing
I was afraid somebody was going to say that.
sysRPL
reisio: anyways, they have a 3 year waranty through ocz
bizzpod
robertzaccour: Those packages only work for more recent cards I'm afraid. If it was a 3000 series card or above then they'd be the right package.
gym_jane
hi all
cyban
The_Thing - do you have a lot of stuff on it?
robertzaccour
gotta restart
brb
bizzpod
The_Thing: What order did you install Win7/XP in?
The_Thing
Nothing that can't be backed up.
kleanchap
This eraser looks pretty good (and without installation). http://www.harddriveeraser.org/
sysRPL
the agility 2/vertex 2 models just came out in april. they have that new sandforce controller making them really fast
The_Thing
XP was installed first, 7 installed second
cyban
The_Thing - I would start over, that went horibly wrong lol
shawn146
does xbox prevent lagg when running?
gym_jane
has anyone here deployed office communicator?
shawn146
cause virtualpc has a lot of lag
The_Thing
Though I do apparently have the file backed up on the XP drive
cyban
sounds like you overwrote yer win7 or xp kernel with the other OS
shawn146
?
cyban
I am not sure if you can restore the kernel
The_Thing
I don't see how that's possible, considering I installed it on a completely seperate partition
bizzpod
The_Thing: Might be worth looking at this tool before reinstalling it all - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392
cyban
bad media perhaps
biz - that wont repair the kernel..
will it
bizzpod
cyban: Nope. I was wondering if perhaps the boot record was pointing to the wrong location.
cyban
"Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe. Please re-install a copy of the above file." (Looks right)
bizzpod
The_Thing: Can you boot Win7 and examine the XP partition from there?
The_Thing
I notice that boot.ini is on the C: drive on my tower... that has an XP and 7 dual-boot going on as well.
cyban
worth a shot
robertzaccour
back
The_Thing
bizzpod: I'm booted in 7 right now.
cyban
thats normal
bizzpod
robertzaccour: wb
robertzaccour
thanks
The_Thing
However on my laptop, where I'm having the problem, it's not on the C: partition
cyban
heh can you even get a dos prompt to run progman and sfc the ntoskrnl back in?
The_Thing
Also, on my tower, the installation on that was 7 first, and XP second.
robertzaccour
its fixed, updates actually do work woohoo
i thought updates were mostly just security stuff
cyban
yep robert
bizzpod
The_Thing: My experience with dual boot Windows systems is pretty limited so I'll leave you in more capable hands I think.
robertzaccour
thanks i wanna give yall a hug
cyban
lol
bizzpod
robertzaccour: *internet hug* Glad to help.
robertzaccour
my other options were vista drivers or Linux
cyban
The_Thing - it dont matter which is first
The_Thing
cyban: Actually if you install XP after 7, one has to restore 7's boot loader because XP's setup program overwrites it with it's own.
cyban
1st Install Windows - 2nd Install Updates - 3rd Install Antivirus - 4th do whatever ya want from here
The_Thing
(Action) always installs AV first, before even considering connecting to any sort of network.
cyban
7 dont take over the boot loader?
does with 2k+
sylbot
new after old
thats the rule
robertzaccour
after buying this laptop i noticed a tiny small mark in the screen that doesn't affect color or pixels at all. should i feel ripped off? its barely noticeable and doesn't affect picture at all
The_Thing
7 doesn't totally overwrite it, to my knowledge.
cyban
ya usualy
bizzpod
Ummm brb, my kitchen is on fire just a little...
sylbot
robertzaccour, what is the mark
The_Thing
lawl
cyban
oh well, if ya go old first then new will be less problems but still it shouldnt wipe out yer kernel, that was a wops somewhere or bad media
robertzaccour
sylbot, its a tiny scratch mark about 1mm long
sylbot
old before new windows, before any linux
cyban
and as far as I know short of booting into DOS, running PROGMAN, then running SFC and trying to restore ntos from the Windows CD - format and reinstall is yer only other option
sylbot
robertzaccour, If you really don't mind it then its fine i guess
it should be a used one from a mark that small
dhouldnt
shouldn't dammit
robertzaccour
sylbot, thats what i figured, as long as the picture isn't affected and i hardly notice it 200 seems like an ok deal
bizzpod
Okay, someone in my house left one of those plastic pizza trays in the oven for several hours. I love shared accomodation :)
robertzaccour
a new netbook would cost me 249 plus tax
The_Thing
So, when I reformat and reinstall, would I have to do just the XP, or both XP and 7?
cyban
Homework (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff720178.aspx) :(
Do XP then 7
well
sylbot
THE RULE IS OLD BEFORE NEW
cyban
7 works right
sylbot
yeah
it doesn't delete
The_Thing
On my tower, I did 7 before XP.
cyban
do XP then run that BOOT fix
sylbot
in fact, it adds it to the boot ini
no it does it automatically
cyban
let me see who posted it
sylbot
i installed win7 onece before, it recognizes xp
and added it
The_Thing
After doing that, one usually has to repair the boot sector with 7's repair disc
shawn146
oh i love that ac3filter
sylbot
if you do xp after 7 then
you must repair
robertzaccour
one thing nice about Linux is not having to mess with that stuff and drivers are automatically installed. lack of pretty apps and cd-rom is a downside however
cyban
The_Thing so ya, install XP then run http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392
The_Thing
Yes, but that's usually more or less easy
cyban
if yer lucky itl play nice and win7 will stay the bootloader
and if not then youl have yer winxp installed right, then you can reinstall yer 7
robertzaccour
i got a dell laptop a few months back. within a few weeks i noticed a red colored dead line of pixels, so i think i'll stay away from dell laptops in the future
cyban
robert - thats abnormal, send it back
The_Thing
robertzaccour: Lack of a cd-rom? Is it a netbook?
robertzaccour
The_Thing, i'm using a regular laptop witn win 7 right now
The_Thing
hmm
sylbot
robertzaccour, i have driver problems with linux
my nvidia
grr.
tried to install proprietary drivers on th ubuntu UE, and it messed up my x.org config
robertzaccour
sylbot, yeah that happens
sylbot, thats odd. its usually ati that has the Linux issues
The_Thing
This gives me a chance to test the XP install disc I slipstreamed :)
cyban
least thats an easy fix sly
sylbot
yeah, then I didn't know how to recover it, and I delete the partition to uninstall it
robertzaccour
whats slipstreamed The_Thing ?
sylbot
which of course f'ed up my grub
bizzpod
I have a Radeon 3650 in my machine and I've never been able to get decent compositing performance on it :-/
sylbot
so i had the fix the mbr
cyban
you just delete xorg.cong
bizzpod
On any linux distro, that is
sylbot
conf
cyban
conf
The_Thing
robertzaccour: Adding things to an XP disc... updates, drivers, service packs, etc.
robertzaccour
sylbot, did you try using the live cd first to test the hardware?
sylbot
yeah, i tried it, but x server would start
robertzaccour, i use unetbootin
to try it
robertzaccour
The_Thing, ah i see, like a custom reinstall disc
sylbot
then installed from livecd
The_Thing
Yes
robertzaccour
sylbot, it would have been a good idea to play around with it and make sure all the hardware works before installing
sylbot
i tried it with unetbootin
cyban
a lot of that hardware on live ISO's work fine, then you install and it dont work anymore
sylbot
it is like installing the live cd to windows
cyban
like Fedora's Wifi
sylbot
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
cyban
well back on f10
sylbot
look
Alex610
S_SubZero: still on the ropes
but im confident i can solve this
robertzaccour
cyban, whats the point of a live cd if it works in live and not after install? crazy
S_SubZero
I'd just reinstall, it sounds like you're trying way too hard on this
cyban
I duno, Ubuntu and Fedora both do it
robertzaccour
oh fedora is crap from what i've heard
sylbot
fedora is just more dificult to work with
it isn't as easy as ubuntu
robertzaccour
but then again it is based on redhat and they're more about enterprise than desktop
sylbot
yes
cyban
I like Fedora, not for Laptop use
bizzpod
Fedora is quite an "open-source purist" distro, it doesn't ship with many (any?) proprietary drivers
robertzaccour
i hate fedora haha
cyban
I dislike Ubuntu because its kinda like a Mac
robertzaccour
i don't care if drivers are proprietary or not, as long as they work right
sylbot
lol anything with gnome is like mac
cyban
but on desktops ive had better success with Fedora over Ubuntu
robertzaccour
cyban, mac is bsd with a pretty gui
bizzpod
robertzaccour: Well, ditto. The pragmatist's approach. :)
sylbot
robertzaccour, exactly
S_SubZero
the max/min/close buttons are on the left, therefore "like a Mac"
robertzaccour
bizzpod, whats pragmatist?
sylbot
anyhting with gnome looks like mac
cyban
robert ya isnt that what Ubuntu reminds you of tho, Linux eye candy?
sylbot
i like blue better than brown
like the literal color
robertzaccour
cyban, in a way, and also i notice the nice similarities between win 7 and kde desktop
bizzpod
robertzaccour: concerned with actually having something work rather than any ideologies
Alex610
S_SubZero: like i said my DVD is a digital download
cyban
ya the gadgets
Alex610
:(
cyban
sidebar etc
Alex610
I suppose i could burn that but it would be difficult to do ATM
robertzaccour
bizzpod, oh, like your computer not being a mission statement
same here
bizzpod
robertzaccour: pretty much, yep. Personally I take what works well - I used to tinker a lot but now I prefer something stable and well designed.
cyban
biz - whats that, UNIX?
robertzaccour
bizzpod, win 7 is pretty stable and honestly the fastest OS i've used yet.
bizzpod
cyban: Heh, well you could then ask why I'm using Windows :P. Win7 does it all for me, never crashed once.
cyban
well 08 is NOT fast IMO
robertzaccour
however i did find one bug on a dell laptop. i did screen capture with dell webcam studio or whatever its called, and when i opened ccleaner the aero theme shut down until after restarting
cyban
I sure hope this virtual Win 7 Client is zippier than these 08 virtual systems
find out in about 2 hours heh
3 if these updates take much longer
robertzaccour
cyban, updates usually don't take more than a few minutes
sylbot
yeah same for me
cyban
I had 53 updates, 564MB's
bizzpod
Roll on Win7 SP1
cyban
some of them rollups for exchange
shawn146
in vbox is it possible to transfer files between my guest os and my host?
cyban
so its taken about an hour so far, and its 60% through
S_SubZero
shawn146: yes
bizzpod
shawn146: Yes but you need to do it via network drives I believe
shawn146
O_O
cyban
shawn - ya set up a shared folder
shawn146
how can i do that?
bizzpod
Unless they added drag and drop in a recent release?
cyban
set up a shared folder and map a network drive
S_SubZero
shawn146: VBox comes with documentation. There's also #vbox.
robertzaccour
been using win 7 for 2 days now. it seems like its what vista was supposed to be, so vista was more like a win 7 alpha
shawn146
oh
ok
S_SubZero
robertzaccour: <previous version> is like a <current version> alpha?
bizzpod
I've been using Win7 right from the first beta and it's always been great. That said, after SP1 Vista wasn't too bad - it just had some rough edges design-wise.
robertzaccour
S_SubZero, no, win 7 is what vista should have been, so vista seems more like a win 7 alpha, because vista just was not ready